Ep. #183: Nourishment, Emotional Eating & Self-Compassion with Isabel Chiara
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What We Cover
In this episode, we talk about:
Nourishment as a physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual experience
Why food can become a coping mechanism for emotional discomfort
The connection between self-compassion and healing
How unmet emotional needs can show up through food patterns
Isabel’s personal journey with food and self-acceptance
The role of disappointment in creating repeating patterns
How self-talk influences emotional and physical choices
Creating a supportive inner dialogue
Visualization as a tool for shifting emotional responses
Planning how you want to feel and respond before situations happen
Compassion and accountability as partners, not opposites
Catching cravings before they become automatic
Neutralizing emotional associations with food
Herbal remedies for emotional and physical well-being
Small steps toward a more nourishing life
Key Takeaways
Nourishment goes far beyond food
Self-connection is essential for true nourishment
Emotional eating is often connected to unmet emotional needs
Food can become a way to manage discomfort, not a sign of failure
Compassion is a crucial part of healing
Accountability does not have to be harsh
Awareness of self-talk can create meaningful change
Visualization can help shift emotional patterns before they take over
Reflecting on past experiences can reveal why we react the way we do
Small steps can create powerful momentum
Nourishment is not something you have to earn
Favorite Quotes & Sound Bites
A few moments you’ll want to remember:
“Nourishment is a holistic concept that goes beyond food.”
“Food can be a coping mechanism for emotional discomfort.”
“Self-connection is essential for true nourishment.”
“Compassion towards oneself is crucial for healing.”
“The journey of self-acceptance is ongoing.”
“Awareness of self-talk can lead to positive change.”
“Creating a supportive inner dialogue fosters growth.”
“It’s our divine right in life.”
Chapters
03:04 – Nourishment Beyond Food
05:59 – The Emotional Connection to Food
08:54 – Redefining What Nourishment Means
11:59 – Isabel’s Journey with Food
14:50 – Compassion, Self-Love & Healing
17:48 – Emotions, Disappointment & Patterns
20:51 – Building Non-Judgmental Awareness
23:49 – Creating New Neural Pathways
26:56 – Energy and Emotional Healing
30:03 – Why Self-Compassion Matters
32:59 – Awareness as the First Step to Change
36:09 – Understanding Your Energy
43:31 – How Stories Live in the Body
44:12 – The Power of Visualization
45:49 – Shifting Emotional Reactions
50:42 – Compassion and Accountability
55:33 – Catching Patterns Before Food
01:03:10 – Herbal Remedies for Nourishment
01:08:21 – The First Step to Nourishment
Why This Episode Matters
Because food is rarely just about food.
It can show up as:
reaching for food when you feel disappointed, lonely, or overwhelmed
using food to soften emotions you do not want to feel
judging yourself for cravings instead of getting curious about them
feeling stuck in patterns that seem to happen automatically
speaking to yourself in ways you would never speak to someone you love
knowing you need deeper nourishment, but not knowing where to start
And the frustrating part? Many people try to change the behavior without understanding the need underneath it.
This episode matters because Isabel reframes nourishment as something much bigger than meals, macros, or willpower. Nourishment includes your inner dialogue. Your emotional awareness. Your ability to pause before a pattern takes over. Your willingness to meet yourself with both compassion and honesty.
Healing is not about ignoring responsibility. It is about creating enough safety and self-respect to make a different choice.
One small moment at a time!
About Isabel Chiara
With two books on the theme of behavior and eating, as well as decades of experience supporting others as a Life Actualization coach, Isabel’s work is focused on the nourishing power of self-connection and what it entails to activate our greatest life expression from the inside-out. As a self-described “eternal student”, Isabel’s wisdom has been honed by over 30 years of studying holistic therapeutic modalities, including herbalism, transformative energy work, mind-body connection practices, and homeopathy. After rendering a revolutionary empowering digital app (by the same name—“Nourish”), Isabel set out to craft an interactive reading experience, where readers could discover a gentle, comforting, and therapeutic space to make the shifts they need in order to empower their behaviors, and live with freedom from outworn self-destructive patterns. Nourish provides more than just an engaging read, but offers a means to define nourishment by our own terms, a way to commit to ourselves, and access an unlimited energy of self-love.
In Isabel’s words, “I write for people who, like myself, have long struggled with their relationship to all things food and eating. I write for those who, however successful they may appear on the outside, still find themselves failing to eat from a place of self-connection and self-respect, and end up ‘using food’ as a way to placate their discomfort. It is my intention that Nourish can be a book for those of us who have tried ‘everything’, but still long for a real, sustainable path to transform long-held negative patterns and claim a nourished life.”
Links Mentioned In The Show
Get her book, “Nourish”: https://isabel-chiara.com/books/
“10 Ways to Nourish Your Life Powerfully Now” PDF + QR guide: https://isabel-chiara.com/sign-up-10-ways-to-nourish-yourself/
Information about working one-on-one with Isabel as an Abundance Coach: https://isabel-chiara.com/work-with-isabel/
Website: https://isabel-chiara.com/
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Transcript
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Isabel Chiara (00:00.12)
So nourish the the path of nourish and the word nourish is a reminder, but the path itself is where we are always in our life and we're never in the wrong spot. So, like kind of if we're working on ourselves in our life and we're looking at ourselves, we're always trying to get somewhere.
You know, when I finally get here, then this will be okay in my life. Or when I finally resolve all of these issues or whatever I'm living right now, I will finally become okay. But if we look at things like that, we never really get there, right? But if we're on the path of nourish, we're always in the right place. Because it's not like you're going forward, you're not going backwards, you're not going up, you're not going down, you're not going anywhere. You're just
in the right place and nourish to me means you're totally connected to yourself, body, mind, soul, and spirit. And you're in the right place because whatever's happening in our life at that moment is okay.
Tansy Rodgers (01:03.152)
Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:15.404)
Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name's Tansy, and I'm an intuitive Crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It's time to talk all things energy. Let's dive in.
Welcome back to the Energy Fix Podcast. Thank you so much for being here today. Today we're going to be talking all about nourishment. And I'm not necessarily talking just about the nourishment that you physically feed your body. I'm talking about the nourishment that really comes with self-connection and what happens when food becomes the place that we go to to manage discomfort.
To numb out, to soothe ourselves, control our control situations, or maybe even compensate for something in our life that feels like it is lacking. Because a lot of people can really look fine on the outside and still feel quietly tangled up with eating on the inside. Some people maybe even hide some of that emotional eating as well.
Now, my today, my guest today is Isabel Qara. And she writes for the person who looks totally fine on the outside, but privately feels stuck in such a complicated relationship with food. She has spent decades studying holistic healing and behavior change. And her work has this beautiful, gentle, steady way of bringing you back to yourself, not bringing in the shame, not
Bringing in specific rules, not pretending that food isn't something emotional. She has created the Nourish app and she has also wrote Nourish as an interactive book experience. So it's not just something that you read, it's something that you use to help you move forward. This is gonna be such a great conversation and one that makes you feel comforted and maybe even one that makes you feel a little confronted. But
Tansy Rodgers (03:34.336)
In the best of ways. All right, Isabel, let's dive in. Welcome to the show.
Isabel Chiara (03:40.824)
my God, what an amazing intro you just did. Thank you.
Tansy Rodgers (03:45.038)
Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited to have you here today.
Isabel Chiara (03:50.862)
I am s I'm excited to be here. I can't I can't wait for a conversation.
Tansy Rodgers (03:55.072)
Yeah, me too. Well, before we hear all about you and where you have been and where you have been led to do this really important work that you're doing, I want to just kind of start right at the basic. I want to start with the word nourish. Now you wrote a book and you have an app.
That are called nourish. So I want to hear about what that word really means to you and what you feel that people need to know when it means to truly be nourished deep into their body and their soul.
Isabel Chiara (04:32.856)
my God. I'm so happy you started out with that question. so Nourish came from I I like to say it's a mantra and a path. Because you know, it was this our our lives, you know, as we were growing up is kind of strugglesome. And when I started, when I came up with like how can I put all this together? Because I was studying the healing arts and a lot of
emotional kind of you know therapies and i was studying basically i studied everything just to get to the bottom of really what i was looking for was a big connection with myself right because at the end of the day it's kind of all we have so nourish the the path of nourish and the word nourish is a reminder but the path itself is
Where we are always in our life and we're never in the wrong spot. So, like kind of if we're working on ourselves in our life and we're looking at ourselves, we're always trying to get somewhere, you know. when I finally get here, then this will be okay in my life, or when I finally resolve all of these issues or whatever I'm living right now, I will finally become okay.
But if we look at things like that, we never really get there. Right? But if we're on the path of nourish, we're always in the right place. Because it's not like you're going forward, you're not going backwards, you're not going up, you're not going down, you're not going anywhere. You're just in the right place. And nourish to me means you're totally connected to yourself, body, mind, soul, and spirit. And you're in the right place because whatever's happening in our life at that moment.
is okay. Right? Because, and this is part of the philosophy kind of that brought me here. Food in the past, you know, we say we're struggling with food and everything. That is the greatest gift we ever had for ourselves. Because if we felt emotional about anything, we had somewhere to go. Because we weren't going a lot of times we weren't going to mommy or daddy, you know, or we weren't going to who were we go we weren't going to anybody. We were going to food to
Isabel Chiara (06:58.872)
To let us feel okay. I mean, that is the greatest asset that we ever had for ourselves. You know, so we can't judge anything that we have been in the past or anything we have done in the past. So nourish is just recognizing everything as let's just, I mean, I'm just saying it right now, like an asset for ourselves, like something that is connecting ourselves to ourselves.
And what could be the greatest thing that we're on that path? When I say that, I feel like there's a whole nother level of resonance that I can have in my life. Things start to happen because we're looking at it differently. We're not looking at it as bad or good. There's no more bad or good if you're on the nourish path. There's just what is, and it's, I could say it's getting better, but we could say it's more resonant. It's more.
abundant more, you know, there's things that are coming into us that are showing up for us because we're allowing more space and more expansion for our path and for ourselves and allowing ourselves to be more of who we are. We don't have to go back and look at look for food to nourish us anymore. We can there's other things we can look at.
To nourish us, like just being and accepting ourselves in a whole nother way or looking at ourselves in a whole nother way. And we start to feel that. When we're on that path of nourish, we start to feel.
Tansy Rodgers (08:36.248)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (08:43.212)
That we're okay. Like your nurse to me is like you're okay inside and out. You know, it's coming from the inside. You're just, you're good.
Tansy Rodgers (08:54.062)
And that's such an expansive definition. It's so, it's so encapsulating of all of this beauty that is within us. But I do think that the word nourish or nourishment has gotten some negative connotation too. So, what do you think the collective definition of nourishment has historically been? And where has this definition either helped us or actually harmed us?
Isabel Chiara (09:23.276)
Well, I think that w w for me, I think that my my concept takes it it's way beyond food. Collectively in the past it's been about do we feel nourished? Are we are we getting are we n getting nourished by food? Like very specific.
Tansy Rodgers (09:40.814)
It's like it takes the soul out of it.
Isabel Chiara (09:43.962)
yeah, I like that what you just said. Yeah. It takes the soul out of it. Yeah. Nourishment is on like you can let's just say you eat healthy. Everybody eats healthy. A lot of people eat healthy all day long. They still don't feel nourished because it's like conditional healthy eating. Right? It's conditional. It's like I can have this, this, and this. But you ever say one the per a per people say, I had a
you know, cup of coffee. And all of a sudden that their nourishment's out the drain or how they feel about themselves is out the drain, just because they had one cup of coffee, if that's the thing that is the bad thing in their life. Yeah. So that's why it's not even like you can't it's not even about food. Nourishment's not even about food. It's really about how you feel in relation and re and respective of things that are happening in your in your life.
the relationships you're having and the conversations that you're having with yourself, really. And the more we look at it, the conversations start to change of what we're happening to what's happening and what we're saying to ourselves, which is, I know it's one of your the one of the major concepts that you talk about. You know, how what what conversations are we having with ourself? You know, because that is what's leading us.
You know, so what if everything we had was perfect? Everything we ate was perfect, everything that happened in our life was perfect because we attracted and and were resonant with that type of behavior in our life, and it gave us the opportunity to look at something else or change direction in our life. That's really noticing that and having a conversation about that is really what's nourishing our soul, our body, mind, and spirit.
Tansy Rodgers (11:36.664)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (11:38.356)
it's big. It's really big.
Tansy Rodgers (11:41.036)
It is for such a small commonly used word. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Isabel, I want to hear about your story. What was your early relationship with food and what were you actually seeking in those moments when you used food to get through something?
Isabel Chiara (11:59.64)
Well, I like I said, thank God I had food, right? I came from immigrant parents that, you know, their life was about food. it's in the restaurant business, by the way, too. So it was really and I was and I'm sensitive. I was a sensitive person, but I didn't know that. I didn't know that that was a concept. Yeah. So I was I would tell myself.
Tansy Rodgers (12:02.103)
Yeah. yeah.
Isabel Chiara (12:25.044)
stop being so emotional, stop being so sensitive. You know, I would command these feelings. And you know what happens when you start ordering yourself around or demanding of yourself, you you do it more. Right? That behavior that you're trying to stop. you you actually kind of do it all the time. So yeah so we
Like I I grew up in the restaurant business and it was just chaotic and we were always like it was business first and you know, I like that part of me a lot, you know, that I like to look at things as like entrepreneurial and creative and but or and you know, it was an interesting fast, fast, fast-paced life. And sometimes energetically that fast paceness that you bring to yourself is
You know, you're kind of taking yourself on a whirlwind ride all the time. And not only that, I became used to that whirlwind ride. Like, you know, fast, it had to be really quick, it had to be really fast. And then there was if I had a down moment, it was, you know, what would I do with my down moments? You know, I had to keep filling it up with something. And I never ever entertained the word nourishment at that point in my life. But those days.
down moments when you need to keep filling yourself. It's like filling, stuffing, what's the difference, right? And and so that became a, you know, a big cycle in my life, you know. But it also was a cycle that I was learning. Like in that, I became this avid learner of like different modalities of how to shift behaviors, change behaviors.
this spiritual healing, this spiritual modality. So I I did it all. I learned it all. I traveled all over the world world to find something outside of myself, which you know, I knew it kind of had to be an internal, internal thing, but, you know, that was that was too much of a whirlwind ride. So it became it became something that I I looked for, searched for outside of myself. but
Isabel Chiara (14:50.186)
In the last, I have to say, just in the last three or four years is when I started switching and going, my God. It's this is such an internal process of really looking at looking at myself, looking at the words I speak to myself, looking at how I have relationships around me, looking at all of that. So that was the what I came up with.
Like I was looking for resolution. And even when I started to write the books, I was like, I can't put this out there because here's the book, here's the last book, Nourish. I can't put this out there because I didn't resolve the issue yet. You know? So I was like, I can't, I just can't. But then I realized it wasn't a one and done type of a thing. It's a process. And the process is what starts to nurture you. You we start to become more.
compassionate with ourselves, more loving toward ourselves. And I think that that, you know, like you you can feel that when you start to the things that affected us in life and we start to be compassionate that maybe it didn't work out still, maybe it's still not working out is like it kind of touches your heart when you have compassion for yourself on this whole other level. And I
And and I go I went back to the times. That's why I created that app too. I went back to all those times when I didn't feel one one bit of compassion for myself. you're good at interviewing, I swear to God. You got me to say a lot of things here.
I'm like going on and on. Anyways, I went back to the points where I didn't feel any compassion, you know, for myself when I never did. And now I'm like touching my own heart because I am, you know, feeling that finally in my life, which is like a big, my God, aha moment. And what a better thing for a gift for anybody to be following a path like this and be on this path and come to the point where they love themselves, you know.
Isabel Chiara (17:06.07)
a lot more than they ever did. I don't wanna say a hundred percent unconditionally because that's really hard to get to, but it's possible. And as long as we're there and that's our where we're where we're heading to, it's amazing.
Tansy Rodgers (17:20.93)
Yeah. First off, I love this emotion because this is where the juice is really squeezed out of really great interviews. When you can feel that and when that's translated through the airwaves, right? But I want to highlight a few things that you just said. You talked about you needed more compassion and you needed more love that you were giving to yourself. I think that when we get so used to living in an
Whatever the fast paced life scenario is for you, for you as a restaurant, but that could be anything, right? Like when we get so used to living in that fast pace, we are not being fully connected. And when we're not fully connected, we start to disconnect and you automatically start to look outside of yourself for something else that is going to give you the compassion that is going to give you.
give you the love that's going to give you the self-acceptance. And for so many people, because of everything that goes with it, memories and and and the nutrients, Sadie, Sadie, you know, all that stuff, like there, food becomes so often that almost like that loving parent that is just there to give you a hug at the end of a really long day.
Isabel Chiara (18:38.864)
yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (18:43.862)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (18:44.206)
Right. It is a loving parent and it's non judgmental.
Tansy Rodgers (18:46.966)
It's non judgmental, exactly.
Isabel Chiara (18:49.174)
It makes you feel happy for the moment. Like you feel deliciously happy, you know, for the moment. And then it's just after, you know, you eat and you put yourself in a food coma that you say, my God. And we start to judge that. I mean, I I think it was only like a year ago when I said, my God. Like I said it before, thank God I had that. Like, thank God. Cause it could have been any kind of an adj it could have been anything.
you know, it could have been drink, it could have been something else, you know, it could have been anything. And, you know, we were fortunate enough to have that, to choose to like we knew better. On some level, we know better. We are choosing something to help us feel okay, but we don't really know what we're looking for. You know, you said compassion is we didn't we don't know we're looking for compassion, you know, we didn't
We don't know we're not looking we didn't we don't say, my god, I'm looking for love so I'm gonna eat food. We don't say that.
I wish somebody loved me so I'm gonna eat. We just don't do that, so Yeah.
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Completely subconscious, but are there certain emotions that you find usually trigger people a little quicker than others? I I don't know. I'm just curious. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (21:55.746)
Yeah, for sure anger. Because even though I think of anger, well, first of all, in in our family, anger was acceptable. But in a lot of families it's not. So if they're holding that in and they feel this bubble explosion of anger that's about to come up, and then they tell themselves, I can't say anything, that's like I don't even know I mean, that's like a real a behavior that's
I mean, thank God I was able to say I'm pissed off at this, but it usually was in an explosive way. Like 'cause there's ways to do different emotions. And I and I never learned that you could say, Hey, you could create a boundary. Well, let's talk about boundaries for a second, right? You can create a boundary with somebody and said, Hey, you what? That didn't feel good to me.
even thought of saying like something like that in my opinion. Like like they would have laughed at me. So I would never have said, hey, that didn't feel good to me. you know, I thought they knew. I've but I made them but you make your parents right. And another thing is you start to make yourself wrong. So now you're like double dosing yourself because we're now wrong. Like what we don't we start to not trust how we think. So now we're thinking
my God, should I say this or shouldn't I say this? How are they gonna react? So now you're managing other people's emotions outside of yourself, right? And you're and you because you don't know how people are gonna react. Okay, so and forget hurt and disappointment, just forget any of that. Like that didn't even enter to entertain any of that. It just turned it just turned into anger, right? Anger's cover-up for all of those other emotions. So
that's the thing. I find a lot of people have a lot of disappointment in life. And and they and I know this because I mean, I have so many people around me that I never knew what that really was. Disappointment. And so, but I've been listening to a lot of people lately and they talk about that. And I think that if you're not able to let
Isabel Chiara (24:15.35)
a lot of emotion out and you're not able to speak about it, then you become dis disappointed in like the people around you and yourself, which I, you know, I think that's a really that's a really big that's a really big thing too. You know, that kind of feel. I mean we could be hurt, but but I don't know. I think disappointment's like a an a another how do you keep how do you keep with
How do you keep entertaining disappointment in your life? Like, how does that play out for somebody, you know? Where you expect because I think that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that, I'm gonna be disappointing. You at some point you expect disappointment. And if you expect disappointment in your life, you're always gonna get it. You know, it's not like it's not gonna be a new thing because even if it looks good.
Like you walk into it and it looks really, really good at the end of the day, there's gonna be something disappointing about it. It's not gonna be it's not gonna have that h overall abundant like, okay, everything was it's like everything was great, but that one thing and then it becomes a whole disappointing, you know, chapter for y for us.
Tansy Rodgers (25:22.382)
Bing.
Tansy Rodgers (25:29.214)
Yeah. I was gonna ask you like why do you think a lot of people have all this disappointment? But you know, as you started talking, it I I think maybe like one, two, three, a handful of experiences and all of a sudden they get stuck in this loop. And now now they're training and they have neural pathways in their brains that are just driving right down into the disappointment channel. Right. Yeah. then
Isabel Chiara (25:54.242)
People and then the people around you. I like how you just said the bet the neuropathways. I love that. Because I think once we form beliefs
And we form it like a couple of times, you know, we start to s to look at things as whatever that belief is, you know, could the disappointment thing. You're right. It does become ingrained in our brain as of in the form of neuropathway. So we create all that, right? So we create these specific triggering situations for us that we had when we were children too. Like,
you know, different different things that happen in relationships, you know, that let's just say it's a person that's always walking away from you. Let's just talk it's about a person that's always walking away from you. So you start to see it in your in your eye, your your brain starts to tell you to see it. So you begin to see that type of behavior. Like whenever you're talking to somebody, whenever you're in an argument, you see somebody walking away from you.
Okay, then you start to create this thing, like, what I taught when s if I say what I want in life, if I tell somebody how I feel in life and they're walking away from me, then that's what happens. Like it's a fact in life. You know, so we have it that neuropathway that you were just speaking about.
Yeah. So anything become can become a neuropathway. So it's our job, our job, like our consciousness, our acknowledgement to notice, like, okay, okay, no, I just saw it happening one time. It doesn't mean that that's really the truth. That's not really how people behave. Let's go, let's go into another pool of people where people stay there and listen to us. So that was another thing I started noticing. I started creating this other word answer myself, like a respond to myself.
Isabel Chiara (27:45.706)
And I would say, okay, I have this pattern going on, you know, like if I'm in an argument, the people are walking away. Let's just say that's the pattern. And then I would say, Nope. I'm now talking to people that are sitting there and listening to me, you know, and it's a step-by-step problem. So you start to look out in the world and you start to see people listening to you. And then you're starting to create what we're really doing is creating another neuropathway. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Which is.
how which is so ner well, like it's like one of the main things I talk about in this path of nourishment, let's create what we're wanting. Like what do we want from because we're so busy. No, this always happens. This always happens to us. This is this is how people act have you listen to people that like, they reject like so a lot of people like, they rejected me. They must hate blah blah blah, you know, girls with black hair, or they must hate
you know, people with ponytails or whatever the story is, correct? And then we make that a story and then we start to say, I gotta I'm wearing my ponytail today and like people are like, you know, you know, treating me, rejecting me, you know. So I'm just saying we it could be anything. Giving you a ridiculous statement because that's how ridiculous things could be. Yeah. Even though it looks real on the outside.
Tansy Rodgers (29:03.5)
Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (29:13.932)
Yeah, because our brains make it feel real. It makes it feel very, very real. That's why you could have two people having the exact same experience, but depending on their wounds, traumas, hurts, perceptions, whatever it is, they could have two completely different experiences. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (29:37.314)
Yeah, exactly. And they'll see it totally different. I remember I was in this class and this guy was talking so loud and I was like, he's yelling at him. And everybody else in the class that was sitting next sitting there and I go and I was so like traumatized by it, by the way he was talking to this guy. And I said to the person next to me, and I go,
Tansy Rodgers (29:40.928)
Uhhuh. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (30:03.21)
my God, I can't believe he's yelling at him in front of everybody and everything. And he he looked at me and he goes, What are you talking about? He's not yelling at him. He's explaining the process. And I go, he's screaming at him in front of all of us. He goes, no. That wasn't happening for anybody else but me.
Tansy Rodgers (30:26.774)
Wow. my God. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm curious, your book Nourish, what made you write that book right now? And what was the gap that you saw in the conversation around eating and healing that you felt like you needed to address and to get out into the world? Like, what was that reasoning of putting that out there and just knowing it had to get into people's hands?
Isabel Chiara (30:28.362)
Interesting.
Isabel Chiara (30:56.44)
Well, like I said before, there was no resolution to my relationship with food. I didn't have a resolution where I was like, Okay, today I'm gonna 'cause I'd wake up every morning and start a new diet. Wake up every every morning and say, Okay, today I'm only gonna eat blah blah blah, you know, lettuce and whatever. Like and knowing that that wasn't even the right thing and by one o'clock I would be eating whatever I wanted, you know, because I can't
You can't tell yourself what to do like in a demanding way like that. I'm like, I'm not gonna listen. I don't listen to other people talk to me like that. Why would I listen to myself, talk to myself like that? Like never. so I had to just be okay with where I was at. Where I was at. And my and the the resolution that I came up with in my own mind was.
how I related to myself. And so that was
Like the word nourish, I said came to me like almost in a spontaneous, like, okay, it's like nur you you're never you never feel we never feel nourished. We never feel okay, you know. So I needed to feel okay about wherever I was at. So I had to start with being okay with wherever I was at. You know, by t by starting to you first is start like, you know, you fake it till you make it, you know, kind of a deal. So I was I would tell myself, you know, okay, you're okay.
Like, okay, you did that? And you know, and I would go back and judge myself and I would say, okay, no, that was great. I would start to like be like this par you know, how there's like some parents that are like, that was so good. Like that wasn't my childhood, but I did that to myself. I started saying that to myself. Like, like every time I did something, I had to go the whole other direction. I go, that was so great what you did. Even though it was like a screw up or whatever.
Isabel Chiara (32:59.394)
I had to look start to look at everything as like, not so bad. Great, good, fantastic. So I was like being my own I had to be my own cheerleader, you know, on some level. Almost
Tansy Rodgers (33:11.82)
Relearning self respect.
Isabel Chiara (33:14.356)
Yeah. Yeah. Relearning, you know, how to like you're parenting yourself. You're parenting yourself. And I had to start say looking at like all of the, you know, 'cause through the years I was so judgmental on myself. I had to start saying go I went back to a lot of things and I go, Well, that was good, 'cause look at what I did after that. Or this was good. Look at what I did a you know, and I had to go back and look at all of those things. And I instead with non judgy eyes, right? With eyes of
Tansy Rodgers (33:18.797)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (33:44.256)
like glistening gold ice call it right yeah that like it was a good it was great you know so that was that was the gap that was missing. So I got to I got to live that till I started to really think that way.
And you know, d and it's not a what like I just said, it's not a one and done path, right? So you we we go backwards, right? And we start living that life where, that was not good. That was, you know, why did you do that? You know, judging ourselves again. So we go back and you it's funny how you fall back so quickly, or maybe we're just in the notice of it. It's really just to be in the notice of how we're we speak to ourselves and how notice of how we
relate to ourselves. And so the more we see that, it's the more we are able to
you know, kind of follow, f kind of flow on this path. And we change the way we think. And we could walk into situations. N this was another thing I was experimenting with. I'd walk into situations where I used to be fearful. And I would say, Okay, I'm going to walk into this room with all these people in it that I don't know. You know, that's a very triggering thing for a lot of people. And I'm going to connect with two or three people in the room.
I'm gonna have this great connection. I'm gonna make a friend or two. So I would like create, because you know what? We're creating our mind all the time. Right? So I would create another scenario, a totally opposite of what we're doing. And then I noticed it was ha it was really working a lot of times. No. I'd walk into situations. I was I felt confident. I felt happy. So we can tell our we could tell our brain and our emotions to like walk in and be confident and be happy.
Isabel Chiara (35:39.18)
I know a lot of people think that we get to say to our that we have to accept how we're feeling in that moment. But what if we create the moment first? And then and the feeling, we create that feeling of how we want to feel in that moment. And we just go into the moment feeling that exact beautiful way we want to feel. I mean, it's to the point right now. I just so people have something to look forward to if they're on this nourishing path.
You know, I I wake up and create a a lot of beautiful emotional highlights in my day. You know? Like, I'm gonna go here, I'm gonna go to my office and it's gonna be great. You know, I say that now. I mean it's sarc it's kinda like you did it sarcastically, but it's not. It became a reality. Right? I or I'd walk into like a place of business, you know, and I would be
basically here's another here's a really good one. Basically, I walk into a store and I talk to everybody now. I was like, I never ever walked into a store. I'd be like hiding myself and not talking to anybody and blah blah blah. Now I walk into a store and I think like first I think it's kind of my store. And I connect with whoever. Like if I'm shopping next to somebody, I'm like, so what do you think of this? Or, you know, what do you think of, you know. So I
It's fun for me to go out and speak to people now. Whereas I was like, Yeah, I'll just go in. I don't need to go out, but you know, but they could do it anywhere you're at.
Tansy Rodgers (37:17.26)
Yeah. Well, Isabel, as you were talking, I started thinking to myself, because I know I have fallen into this before. So I'm really curious what you have to say. How do you start building from non-judgy eyes, as you said, and self-respect practices when it feels so emotionally hard, especially if you are a sensitive, like a highly sensitive person or an identify as an empath, or you know, it can be really scary. Right.
To have to fear that judgment, even if it's from yourself, like how how do you navigate that?
Isabel Chiara (37:55.456)
Right. You're right. well, first make the decision to do it. And know you have to have a knowing that it's gonna change and it's gonna shift for you.
Tansy Rodgers (38:05.806)
'Cause we're always making decisions, right? We're either deciding to do it or to not do it. Right. Yeah, you're right.
Isabel Chiara (38:12.788)
into the you want to be the way you always have been or you want to have a change in your life. You decide, you decide, okay, I'm gonna go on this nourishing path and you decide that it's gonna be everything's gonna be nourishing to you no matter what. Let's just say you fall and you judge yourself like 20 times that day. But notice the 10 times you didn't. So if you never did any kind of nonjudgmental stuff for yours, you know, judging yourself, then you and you had 10, then
Tansy Rodgers (38:17.057)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (38:41.466)
Right, you get to look at that like, okay, I'm successful because I had 10 versions of me applouding myself and you know, allowing myself to be free and loving myself and not, you know, like I was cool with myself. So and then the next day you wake up again, you go, Okay, today I'm gonna be like noticed 20 times where I'm talking, you know, nice to myself. I swear to God, it shifts really easily.
Because when you notice it means you're in the moment of shift also. Right. If you start to notice like all of a sudden, I was judgmental today, I was judgmental today, then that means you're in the middle of shifting it because you're noticing that behavior that you're trying to shift. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (39:31.574)
Awareness is so important. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (39:34.146)
Yes. Yeah, the awareness of that. And so
We get it changes really quick. I have to say it changed really quickly because I remember deciding that that was probably a really important step for me on this path. And then I remember I started to do it. And then I got frustrated with myself, of course, because I was like, I judge myself 20 times, you know. And then I said, Okay, but I had to keep going because it was like I decided to do it already. You know, so I had to keep going. And I went and I kept going. And now I pretty much
I'm able to really stay in that. But it's not perfect. It never is. There's no like, I'll never judge myself again. There isn't that. But if you can live your with yourself by a pl noticing that you are applauding yourself a little bit more, or you're noticing the great things that you're doing, or noticing that everything you do is so amazing.
And you start to live in that energy, then you start to bring in more of that energy for yourself and you bring in more possibilities and you bring in more amazing scenarios for yourself. That's what I love the best about it, that you bring in situations that are, you know, you want to pinch yourself because it's like, my God, I can't believe this is happening for me. Because just because you're in that kind of resonance.
Tansy Rodgers (41:03.168)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (41:04.226)
Such new vibration.
Tansy Rodgers (41:08.094)
Does all this play into the concepts of different energy healings? I'm staying on the whole concept of like highly sensitive people or empathic people, right? We can pick up on a lot of heavy energies that we think are our own. And then we start to act out, and maybe we are emotionally eating, maybe we are expressing a lot of anger that we're not taking like all of these things can happen. So
When it comes to that outside influence of heavier energies, how do you start to determine or have you seen to start to determine which is yours, which isn't yours, and like what you can actually let go so that you can get to the root of your true awareness to be able to decide what shift do you want to make?
Isabel Chiara (41:57.942)
Okay. Wow. That's a loaded question.
Tansy Rodgers (42:01.398)
It is, it is, yes.
Isabel Chiara (42:03.822)
thought when you started speaking was, I guess it doesn't matter if it's yours or not, because you put yourself, you're in that situation. So on some level, your awareness is in that heavy situation. On, you know, why? Right. So I look at it like, hmm, why did it yeah, like why am I there? Like why did I just do this again? It's usually like again, right? And so
Tansy Rodgers (42:20.691)
that's good.
Isabel Chiara (42:32.652)
Why? You know, we get we we get to investigate it for ourselves. And we could say at that point say, Okay, you know what? It's not resonating with me. Maybe it's the last time I'm in that situation. Maybe I just need to have one more last experience. Or maybe this time you act we acted differently. Like maybe this time we didn't stay in it as long and, you know, get all emotional about it, get all sensitive about it, and we're like, Okay, here it is. I got it. I can move forward.
Now I got it. I see it, you know, it triggered me. Okay, let me give my little girl some compassion. You know, let me look at it differently. So we could just be in it, but we don't have to stay in it. I think the difference is staying in it versus being in it for a long time, right? Because usually if something's bothering I know if something was bothering me in the past, it'd be like two weeks. and by the way, when we tell the story to five of different people.
All we're doing is embedding the story in our tissues, right?
Tansy Rodgers (43:35.69)
Yes, you're absolutely right.
Isabel Chiara (43:38.7)
Yeah. And people say, no, I'm not. I'm just talking about it. And I go, every time you talk about it, you're talking about it differently. And it's still it's like prominent inside of you. You know, it's like you're living it in your head. Especially if you're a visual person. Like we're sensitive. Maybe sensitive people are more visual.
Right. And that's why they're really feeling things and you know, even though they can feel things, maybe they're seeing it also. Mm. You know, I was thinking that that might be part of the equation also.
Tansy Rodgers (44:12.139)
And visualization is one of a one of the very powerful manifestation techniques too, Isabel. Totally. So not only are you seeing it, speaking it, feeling it, now all of a sudden you're manifesting it.
Isabel Chiara (44:26.794)
Exactly. Actually, I started out doing visualization. That was one of the first people I studied with was Shaki Guan. Do you her she is? She wrote the book in the like 70s on on creative visualization. I she was the first person I studied. I'm all about that. It's so powerful of a tool. You know, they have other names for it now, you know, view you know, different kind of viewings, but it is the most powerful tool. And we keep doing that. We're actually visualizing our outcomes.
Tansy Rodgers (44:33.774)
I don't know.
Isabel Chiara (44:58.914)
Don't you agree? Like we're visualizing how we're we're visualiz like if we're getting an argument, we're visualizing if we're losing or winning.
Tansy Rodgers (45:06.25)
yeah. yeah. Yeah. And you know, I gotta just throw this out here because we do have on this podcast, we have a lot of people that do have some neurodiversion going on. All right. And so I gotta say this because a lot of those kind of brains love to ruminate. We love to think about the way the conversation is going to go. We love to visualize how it's going to go. And essentially.
A lot of the times we're we we're we're creating the outcome. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (45:38.976)
Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. What a disservice. It's kinda a disservice to ourselves, right? Yeah. Unless we're shifting it to how we would like it to be.
Tansy Rodgers (45:49.208)
Yeah.
That's so good. So good. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (45:55.596)
Yeah. So we get to go forward we get to move forward and decide, you know, how our day is gonna I mean, I know there's people that plan their day, no, no, no, no, but do they plan how we're gonna they're gonna react with people or they plan how they're gonna feel throughout their day? I mean, I know that's a that's kind of like a far fetched concept because people think or you know, a lot of people would say, I only can think
I only could feel how I only can think how I feel or I feel how I think. But what if we did it oppositely? We were gonna we're going to t situations where we
exp almost visualize and experience how we want to feel. And then we have that other kind and we visualize another outcome for ourselves where we're smiling and we're happy and we're excited. Mm.
Tansy Rodgers (46:48.672)
Yeah. You know, as you as you just said that, that feels like such a powerful pattern interrupt and and way to shift some of the conversation even around food. I mean, you said, do we actually plan how we're gonna react to people? And I would guess that pretty much everybody sitting here is like, no.
I don't plan how I react, right? I only plan what I'm gonna do throughout the day. I got my three things on my to-do list that are my priorities, and then I got all the other things, you know, all that stuff that we're taught. But when it comes down to the reaction, if we even shifted that a little bit and we're like, okay, I know I'm gonna be around so and so. Or if I get into a traffic jam today, I know that typically I start to get road rage. What am I gonna do differently this time?
I mien how powerful can that shift be?
Isabel Chiara (47:43.539)
Right. Well I got a lot of things I do during traffic myself.
Tansy Rodgers (47:47.176)
Same
Isabel Chiara (47:49.982)
I I used to be the worst at road rage. I used to be like, I'm getting out of car. You know? But I I don't do that anymore. I'm like, 'cause you know what? This is what I came up with with the road rage thing. I said, Did that guy even know he's affecting us? No. They don't even know. They're just driving along and they what, maybe cut in our lane a little bit or like what did they really do? Like, are they like driving at us? They're not. They're not doing that. They're just
maybe came in our lane. So they don't really know people don't know what they're doing. People don't really know how they're affecting other people. They're just doing their own thing. And then we're like, did you see what they did to us? But what what did they do to us? They don't even know what they they don't know what they did. And we're making it about something they it's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous conversation in our head and we're reacting to something that's didn't really happen. We thought it happened.
Tansy Rodgers (48:45.356)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (48:49.346)
Just to put in perspective road race.
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You know, this all really comes down to the whole concept and everything we're talking about is about bringing more compassion to yourself and also more accountability, right? Like those two play hand in hand here. How how do you help someone be gentle without letting themselves off the hook in a way that just keeps the cycle perpetuating over and over again?
Isabel Chiara (50:42.49)
well, I never said letting yourself off the hook because we gotta look look at it. We have we get to look at everything. We don't have to make up a story about it, but we could say, hey, this is how this affected us and why did it affect us like that? I mean, we don't it doesn't have to be a scientific experiment, you know, with the whole theory of relativity, but it could be just
That if that happened. and it happened like a couple of days ago and it happened here. So this is like the third time it happened. So let's just take a little look at this and see what I believe about this that's affecting me. Like, what do I think the other person did? Or what do I think I did? Or like what is that? It's, you know, could it be and then I look for another meeting in it. Like, could it be something else?
Could it be that the the the the the other person didn't know that they insulted me? Or could it be or or could it be that maybe I don't need to be in this environment anymore? It could be that you're done with the other p the another behavior that you've been in and that it's time to go. Or and it's a boundary. We it was the boundaries I was talking about. Like I don't need that behavior anymore. I don't need that to show me in the face anymore what I need to.
Like so I could feel bad about myself and I don't need to feel bad about myself because somebody else had an opinion about me.
Isabel Chiara (52:14.258)
So we get to just there's like a bunch of questions that we can ask in the middle of any of these patterns or any of these things that are showing up for ourselves. But I didn't say but we we have to we get to look at it because what do we do you we can't allow it to just keep happening to us. It's gonna turn into another really dig in pattern and our, you know, affect our we're trying to change our vibration. We're trying to feel nourished in our life.
You know, so let's look at let's look at it and just move on. That's my nourish app. I did that because a lot of things have stemmed from how we look at things and from our childhood. And I have so many really I've twelve really, really good I call them activations, but they're they're visual guided manifesting visualizations that will take you through a path and very, really heal.
The way you're looking at something. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (53:19.242)
Yeah, which I think I think that any kind of food or physical body health and healing practices work so well when we can really activate and ground into the mind shifting and pattern or repatterning. Do you know what I mean? And I think that those like meditations like that and activations have been so helpful.
Isabel Chiara (53:45.038)
Right. Yeah. So when we find ourselves, like I have a couple of I have, you know, a one of the, one of the in my nourishing app, one of the guided meditations is healing family dynamic dynamics. And it's it takes you through like the family and you know how you looked at things. And then you could at that point say,
Because you made these decisions as a child. Right? So if you made decisions as a child and now you're an adult, you'll be like, okay, why did I say that? Why did I make that up? Because you kept repeating that same kind of pattern for yourself. so we could it's time we could heal it, you know. And then there's I have another one called Safe and Sound, where we could feel where maybe we didn't feel safe as a child. And in order to not feel
In order to feel safe, we had to do something. What what it is, I don't know, right? We ha we don't I don't know what people decided to do, but we could shift that and say, I am safe, because we're s probably on some level carrying that non-safeness with us and we react before we we react to things before it even plays itself out.
Tansy Rodgers (55:08.94)
Yeah. Well, let's talk about that pattern when it comes to the food side of it. What is your best tool for catching the pattern right before someone starts to reach for the food to soothe and numb or to check out or whatever they're doing to distract themselves? How can they find how can they catch that pattern first?
Isabel Chiara (55:33.528)
So
A lot of times I think that as we're you st I think you start out with as you're doing it. You s you say, okay, something's going on. And then you give yourself permission to eat whatever it is. Why would you why would we we we we don't feel great. So we can we can have something to eat, right? I think what what happens is eventually if we give ourselves permission.
We start to notice that we don't really need to do it all the time. We cause we need to eat. Right? So we say, okay, I know this is what I did. I and I know I say, I'm gonna neutralize. I would say I'm gonna neutralize different food groups for myself. So that's what I started to do. Like I started neutralizing chocolate for myself, because I was like a di you know, a fiend with that. And so I said, Okay, I'm gonna
I'm gonna have the chocolate. I feel terrible. I'm gonna have the chocolate. So I would instead of beating myself up, I would say, I'm having it. So that's the first step. Just have it. And then don't say anything to yourself afterwards. Say, I had it. I needed it. It's okay. It's kind of like we're setting up a new scenario for ourselves, new conversation. So allow yourself to be okay. And then eventually, like that thing becomes and then
It's a particular food thing too, you know, like is it the crunchy Doritos type of a thing also? And, you know, if you were angry, you know, you would kinda want Doritos. If you're feeling like unsafe, maybe you want some creamy, like so something like that. So it depends on what it is. I kinda went into different types of foods. But the chocolate one was because your you had a drop in your insulin because something
Isabel Chiara (57:33.652)
you know, upset you so much and you w need some kind of a sugar fix right away. but you know, but let yourself you know, let yourself have it. And then eventually it's like, you know what, maybe I'll just have like a ha eventually you'll say it, but it's not like you're telling yourself to say it. It's got it's gonna eventually come naturally. Naturally. You'd be like, all right, you know what, I just want I'm just gonna have a bite or two. Which I never thought would happen for me.
I never ever believed that. But that's what kind of started happening until I went to the point where I was like, Do I really like chocolate? You know, I got I went I got to that point and so now I don't even have it, which is like crazy in itself, because if you asked me two years ago, I would have like, No, don't take my chocolate away. But it's not I don't have I really don't have chocolate anymore. So and I think it's a neutral is it's a I call it neutralization where I'm like, Okay. and I
It's kind of like a feeling too that I create when I'm eating it. Like, mm, it's not doing it for me. It's not really making me feel like so. It's like I'm taking the opposite of what I thought my brain was thinking. my God, it's like the best thing ever. Like I need it, need it. But then I got to the point where, all right, it's not like really cutting it here anymore. So I don't know if I interjected the feeling into the chocolate.
Which is really kind of what you're doing. You're interjecting your feelings into the food. Right? So now you interjected another feeling into the food, which is like I call it a neutralization of the food. Myself, the visual started to become, Like it's in front of me. I would see the thing in front of me, and then I would be like, it doesn't, I don't want it. So it's
Tansy Rodgers (59:10.326)
Ooh.
Isabel Chiara (59:26.674)
took this is like the little chain that kinda happens. So first you allow yourself to have it, then you start to look at it and say, hmm, is that really c is it really doing it for me? And then you start to look at it visually and see yourself not grabbing it or not wanting it. Because and then you associate the feelings in your belly or the feelings in your mind as
Look, I don't want it. So you start to have this new visual of not wanting that food.
Tansy Rodgers (01:00:02.478)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (01:00:04.468)
Isn't that amazing that nobody told you it could neutralize food, right?
Tansy Rodgers (01:00:07.434)
No, it's that is very interesting, amazing. You know, it's funny, as you were talking, I was thinking for years and years and years, whenever there was family functions or family picnics or any kind of family dynamic, my my my family kind of stresses me out at times. And so whenever we would have these functions, I would look I know I'm a little I'm a little concerned.
Isabel Chiara (01:00:29.432)
We're sure none of watch your program.
Tansy Rodgers (01:00:35.95)
no, but like every time we would have these these functions, I would go hard into all the desserts. I would just sit and eat and eat and eat and because for me, it was soothing me, it was comforting me, it gave me something to do because I was a little bored. it like there was just so much that it did for me until it got to the point where I'm like, I feel terrible afterwards. I don't feel good.
I feel bloated. I get exhausted. I have this sugar crash. Why am I doing this? This is so dumb. But that didn't, that wasn't what stopped me. What stopped me was actually stepping back and saying, I am going to re-question this. Why am I really doing this? And I'm gonna do a pattern interrupt. And I'm instead of instead of if I want to go to the dessert table, you know what? I'll walk by it. I'm just gonna look to see what they have.
And maybe this time I will do just half of what I typically do. Or maybe I will do one sweep through and then I'm gonna go and just like walk around the building, walk around the pavilion or whatever it is, or wherever we were, and just do like a little, or maybe I'll go play one of the games that they have, right? Something just to change it up because I realized that that neural pathway was like family situation, eat.
Isabel Chiara (01:01:59.574)
Right.
Tansy Rodgers (01:02:02.262)
Right. That was what I was doing.
Isabel Chiara (01:02:05.516)
Great app for that. Great thing, it's called Fa Healing Family Dynamics.
Tansy Rodgers (01:02:07.564)
Yeah, right.
Yes. yes.
Isabel Chiara (01:02:16.916)
we get to look at that. It's but but you're right. You're right. That's I mean, a lot of people have that. Yeah. Like what is it that we're why are we where why are we reacting? Yeah. So once we start to take that apart.
Tansy Rodgers (01:02:33.482)
Yeah, very powerful stuff.
Isabel Chiara (01:02:34.766)
start to neutralize all of these activities play out in our life.
Tansy Rodgers (01:02:40.372)
Yeah.
Now, I know you have a full background in herbalism. And so I'm really curious. With everything we've talked today, talked about today, we've talked about, you know, rewriting some of the neural pathways. We've talked about different ways to rescript and to think about what it is that you're doing. I'm curious because I I know the power of herbs. I'm curious if there is any recommendations or
herbs or techniques in herbalism that you think are super helpful in the shifting and the transitioning of some of the some of the things that we talked about today.
Isabel Chiara (01:03:21.484)
Hm. Wow. I never thought about that. I mean, I really take you know what I like to note? I like to see, I like to see what herbs are growing around me. Right? Like during COVID, like in my yard, I had mullen it was outside and there was so much of it. And I was like, like how did mullen know to come here and it was COVID time? Like, how did it know?
Tansy Rodgers (01:03:38.474)
Ooh yeah. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:03:51.82)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (01:03:54.574)
To be interesting.
Tansy Rodgers (01:03:57.43)
What are some of the comforting herbs? Because I know one of my favorite things to do in the evening is have a nice comforting tea. What are some of the comforting herbs that you have found that maybe can offset some of these either desires to dive for sweets? Maybe it helps to stabilize your blood sugar, or things that help to calm down and have more of a calming effect.
Isabel Chiara (01:04:25.626)
it's I take like I like that stuff in the morning. Like I like to take put cinnamon and stuff in the morning. and stabilize in that Gemina Sylvester. Do you know it's another thing that calms blood su balances your blood sugar. Yeah. at night I just like
Tansy Rodgers (01:04:35.416)
For blood sugar stabilization. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:04:41.614)
I don't know.
Isabel Chiara (01:04:51.83)
Which I never just to help you sleep. Of course, the old standby chamomile. I found this really good combination of
I also take homeopathic drops and mix them in with it with some of the teas also at night. I can't really remember what I like to take. I like to mix like during the day, I like to mix like fennel. Like I have fresh, fresh fennel in my yard. I like to mix that with during the day and a niece. I'm growing anise right now. I just love those flavors.
of what else at night?
Tansy Rodgers (01:05:37.147)
If you want wild dreams you could drink you could have some mugwort.
Isabel Chiara (01:05:41.666)
Yeah. I actually do do mug war. I have a lot growing outside of that. I throw it in a bath too.
Tansy Rodgers (01:05:48.172)
Ooh. Yeah. Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (01:05:52.298)
I think mugware has like so mugware grows wild around here all does it grow wild around also? Yeah, it's like there it's very purposeful that herb. I think it's also doesn't it get rid of a lot of bacteria and
Tansy Rodgers (01:05:56.919)
It does yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:06:10.186)
It might, I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Isabel Chiara (01:06:12.973)
Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, I mean I'm I'm sitting here talking. I have like rows and I have drawers and drawers full of herbs and I make like I mix them with with oils and I mix it with I make textures out of it. just whatever I find, I'm mixing like something together. Yeah. I just went to I was just on Mount Etna in Italy and it was a ru and it was erupting and we went on a hike up up the thing and we had a guide.
And I go and I stopped and I go, my God, there's Hawthorn. I take Hawthorne at night too, by the way, for the heart. I there's Hawthorne on the top of this mountain. And there was Bilberry, which is that yellow thorn, growing on the all over the mountain. All over the mountain. It was all like a y field of yellow. I'm gonna send I'll send you a picture later. It was amazing. Wow.
How that was growing all over the mountain. So I just think that it's like kind of from the ash of the burning ash. Wow. You know? Yeah. So herbs are phenomenal. And I think that w when they make medicine, what they do is they take the different parts of the herb that are what's function what's the functional part of the herb. But I think the plant you need the whole plant in order to have it give you the effects of the plant. I I don't think you could take
Tansy Rodgers (01:07:17.687)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (01:07:40.908)
the different parts of it aside and have that be the thing that's healthy or healing you.
Tansy Rodgers (01:07:49.986)
Well, Isabel, you know, as we start to wrap this up, before we get to the the the questions, the three rapid fire questions that I want to ask you, I'm just curious. If somebody wants to begin today, if they really want to just make the smallest nourishment shift, outside, of course, of getting your book and getting that app, what do you recommend that's gonna really help to start creating the most momentum quickly and right away so people can get into that?
Groove a little easier.
Isabel Chiara (01:08:21.291)
I say they just start to say the word nourish to themselves. Just say that word and say, this isn't and have everything be nourishing to to themselves. Like just start to look at things as nourishing. That's like the first step, and like it's the step along the way. But things will shift just because you're cre you're using that mantra as a way to guide yourself in life.
this is nourishing. Let me well, how is it nourishing to me? You start to ask more questions. Why is this nourishing to me? I did do it, so how how come it's why is this working for me? Mm. And then when I get to the point where it's not working, then I can nourishingly say, Okay, we're done with this. Let's find something else.
Tansy Rodgers (01:09:10.314)
Yeah. Yeah. I like that a lot. Yeah. It it comes right back into that awareness. It's just kind of cueing the brain in. Yeah. All right. Well, before we figure out where to get all of these incredible tools that you offer, are you ready for your rapid fire questions?
Isabel Chiara (01:09:29.58)
let's see what you're offering me. Okay.
Tansy Rodgers (01:09:31.563)
They're they're gonna be great. They're gonna be great. All right. All right. So the first question. What is one nourishment thing that you do that has nothing to do with food, but it is your favorite go to?
Isabel Chiara (01:09:50.082)
My favorite go to is that when something happens, I say, Okay, this is for my greater good. What is this? Like what's the what's the bigger meaning in this whole thing? So I look for like this huge meaning in something that's gonna affect my life. So I don't get stuck in whatever that is. So I was like, I just don't know the rest of the story. It's really what I say. I just don't know the rest of the story, but it's gonna be a good one.
Tansy Rodgers (01:10:14.786)
I like that I don't know the rest of the story. Right.
Isabel Chiara (01:10:17.88)
Right. Your life can change on a dime.
Tansy Rodgers (01:10:20.524)
Yeah, I love that. Okay. Question number two. What is a comfort food that you still love, but now you eat it with presence instead of punishment? Hmm.
Isabel Chiara (01:10:34.21)
That's a good one. I think I still like s I was gonna if you asked me a couple of weeks ago, I would say pasta. Uh-huh. But that's not it. it's not it anymore. being in Italy and having w pasta whenever I wanted, I didn't w I no longer wanted it. It was so interesting. so it's not that. so I think I like sandwiches because I like the bread aspect of it. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:10:59.116)
Yeah. I think I get a feeling you like sandwiches because you are a very dynamic woman and you like to create and bring all of this, all of these possibilities into one food. Am I right?
Isabel Chiara (01:11:16.202)
One sandwich? Yeah, 'cause you can put it anything in a sandwich. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:11:19.182)
Yeah. I feel like that is totally your personality. Okay. Question number.
Isabel Chiara (01:11:26.774)
Come on, let's make let's make a deal. Let's go. Who's got this in their pocket?
Tansy Rodgers (01:11:31.406)
All right, question number three. If your body sent you a text message before you actually reach for food that you know is not actually fulfilling you, what would it say to you?
Isabel Chiara (01:11:46.798)
Did you think of these before this?
Tansy Rodgers (01:11:49.174)
course I did. No, I thought of these before.
Isabel Chiara (01:11:53.69)
That's funny. my body sent me a text message. it would say, Okay, have it have what you want and and just saw and really see if you really want it, if you really if that's what you really wanted.
Tansy Rodgers (01:12:11.496)
Mm. Yeah. So permission and then and then introspection.
Isabel Chiara (01:12:17.62)
Right. And see if that's what you really wanted. Or yeah I have this other thing that started happening to me too. Like my mind my my mind would say to me, like, Are you done with this yet? Like, I think we're done here. Like I was eating a lot of sushi and it was, you know, very parasitic and everything. And my my my my brain would be like, Okay, I think we're done with sushi. Yeah. Okay, I think we're done here with this food. So my my mind started responding to me and saying, We're we're good, we're done.
Tansy Rodgers (01:12:39.437)
Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:12:46.797)
Yeah.
Isabel Chiara (01:12:47.478)
And now I just what it tells me that in that kind of a voice, you know, it's an inner voice. I say, Yeah, we're done. I answer it back. You know, it's like, yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:12:59.394)
I love it. I love it. Isabel, where can people find you? Where can they get their hands onto your book or books? I know you have multiple. So where can they get your hands, their hands onto your books and your app and all of the goods?
Isabel Chiara (01:13:13.686)
Okay. So my books are on Amazon. And here's the last copy of the book, which is Nourish. and I have c a few other books, but it or you can go on it's under Isabel I S A B E L dash Kiara C H I A R A dot com. and there's everything's on the website. And then the app is just under the Apple store and it's called Nourish. And there's a free two week
period that you could use the app and you probably could get all of it done in two weeks. Yeah. So that would be great. And then if they on the show notes, we have a thing that's I put a PDF together on 10 ways to nourish your life that they could send away for. we sent that to you. And it should be on the show notes. So yeah. So I'm I'm on Amazon with the books and then I have it everything on my website.
Tansy Rodgers (01:14:11.382)
Yeah. Well, you know the deal around here. All of the links will be down in the show notes that you can easily get your hands onto them. And you can also see the books covers so that you know when you do head on over to the link that's beside it, you can go ahead and get that those books a little bit more easily. Is it a show with you? Yes. Do you have any last words that you would like to lay on the hearts of the listeners for today?
Isabel Chiara (01:14:31.886)
Wonderful being on it.
Isabel Chiara (01:14:40.782)
So I hope that everybody has an abundant, nourishing life and just make that decision to have that for yourself and give yourself that gift because it's our divine right in life.
Tansy Rodgers (01:14:54.936)
Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for sharing your heart and your wisdom. This was beautiful and I appreciate you.
Isabel Chiara (01:15:02.264)
Thank you. I appreciate you also. I I love your work.
Tansy Rodgers (01:15:05.294)
Thank you, thank you.
Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the energy fix. You know, so many people are walking around looking like they have it all together while quietly they're struggling with the way that they care for themselves behind the scenes. And what I loved so much about this conversation is that it really invites us to soften this fight with food, to listen to what we
Actually, we are needing and to begin rebuilding this beautiful relationship with ourselves from a place of respect instead of a place of punishment. It's so important. And so, for everyone listening, if this episode stirred something in you, I hope that you can take just one nourishment step today, no matter how big or how small, just one step. It doesn't have to be perfect and it
Definitely doesn't need to be this big overhaul. Just one small moment and ask yourself: what would actually support me right now? I will put Isabelle's websites and all of her information down in the show notes so that you can easily access her and access her work. And until next time, keep spreading that beautiful energy you are born to share.
