Ep. #184: Anxiety, Self-Sabotage & Rewriting Unconscious Narratives with Dr. Michael Glock
What if anxiety is not just something to get rid of?
What if it is trying to show you where an old story no longer fits who you are becoming?
In this episode of The Energy Fix, Tansy sits down with Dr. Michael Glock for a deep conversation about anxiety, stress, self-sabotage, self-worth, and the unconscious narratives that quietly shape our lives.
Dr. Glock introduces his work with hermeneutic hypnotherapy, an approach that brings together depth psychology, hypnotherapy, storytelling, and personal transformation. Rather than viewing symptoms as random problems to eliminate, he invites us to see them as meaningful signals that may be pointing us toward deeper truth, healing, and growth.
Together, they explore why anxiety can become a call for personal evolution, how unconscious patterns influence our choices, and why self-sabotage often begins as an old story that once served a purpose but now keeps us stuck.
This conversation also touches on the hero’s journey, emotional triggers, core wounds, self-worth, and the lifelong process of becoming. If you have ever felt like you are repeating patterns you cannot quite explain, or if anxiety has made you wonder what is wrong with you, this episode offers a different lens.
Maybe the question is not, “How do I make this disappear?”
Maybe the question is, “What is this trying to show me?”
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What We Cover
In this episode, we talk about:
Anxiety as a signal for personal evolution
Why symptoms may carry deeper meaning
Hermeneutic hypnotherapy and what makes it different
How unconscious narratives shape identity and behavior
The connection between self-worth and anxiety
Emotional triggers and what they can reveal
Breaking habitual patterns and old inner stories
The hero’s journey as a metaphor for transformation
Midlife, identity shifts, and deeper self-exploration
Core wounds and how they influence present-day choices
Building a new life by releasing outdated stories
Why healing is a lifelong process of birth, death, and rebirth
Key Takeaways
Anxiety can be a signal, not just a symptom
Self-sabotage often reflects an unconscious narrative
Symptoms may reveal deeper truths when approached with curiosity
Hypnotherapy can support the process of rewriting inner stories
Emotional triggers often point toward unresolved wounds
Self-worth is closely connected to voice, identity, and choice
Everyone lives inside habitual patterns until they become conscious
Transformation is rarely instant; it unfolds over time
The hero’s journey involves accepting change and leaving old stories behind
Understanding the past can help you reclaim your future
Favorite Quotes & Sound Bites
A few moments you’ll want to remember:
“This is a lifelong process.”
“Everything has a voice.”
“You have to ask for what you’re worth.”
“Everyone’s in a trance.”
“We are building a new house for you.”
“What might this be trying to show me?”
Chapters
05:02 – Birth, Death & Rebirth
10:10 – Unconscious Narratives and Their Impact
15:18 – Transformation as a Lifelong Process
20:40 – Rebuilding Your Inner Ship
26:31 – Philosophy, Psychology & Mythology
31:27 – How Inner Stories Shape Our Lives
37:09 – Anxiety Tools, Mindset & Support
41:24 – Crystals, Rituals & Energy Support
46:40 – Reframing Personal Stories
54:10 – Growing Beyond Childhood Imprints
Why This Episode Matters
Because anxiety, stress, and self-sabotage are often treated like enemies.
But sometimes they are messengers.
They can show up as:
a mind that will not stop spinning
repeating patterns you promised yourself you would break
feeling triggered by situations that seem “too small” to explain your reaction
doubting your worth, your voice, or your ability to ask for more
staying in old habits even when part of you knows you are ready for change
feeling like you are stuck between who you were and who you are becoming
And the frustrating part? Many people try to fight the symptom without listening to the story underneath it.
This episode matters because Dr. Glock reframes anxiety and self-sabotage as part of a deeper transformational process. This conversation invites you to look at your patterns with curiosity, not shame. Because every symptom may have a voice.
And sometimes healing begins when you finally ask what it is trying to say!
About Dr. Michael Glock
Dr. Michael Glock is a philosopher, futurist, hypnotherapist, and co-founder of Joymind, one of the largest hypnotherapy platforms in America. Trained in Jungian and depth psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute, he developed Hermeneutic Hypnosis, an emerging framework blending hypnosis, neuroscience, mythology, symbolic thinking, and storytelling.
For more than 20 years, he has worked with entrepreneurs, executives, creatives, and high performers seeking transformation beneath outward success. His work focuses on how unconscious narratives shape anxiety, trauma, burnout, identity, and human behavior — and how altered states and imagination can help rewrite those patterns. He is the author of Way Ahead: Medicine Stories and publishes widely on Medium and through The Lab at DrMichaelGlock.com, an experimental AI and human transformation platform.
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Dr. Michael Glock (00:00.086)
And at the beginning of the every hero's journey, there's a call to adventure. And either you can choose to accept that call to adventure or deny it. So, you know, your husband after 35 years has said, that's it. I'll be out by the end of the month. It's over. You know, we'll we'll split everything amically and fairly and but you know, it's over. That's a call to adventure. Either you can resist, deny it, fight it, flail.
lose yourself, many people never recover. Or you can say, it's a call to adventure. So now the first person to show up is the mentor, a guide, a shaman. And now you travel around the wheel and at the end you return back. You do the the journey, the rupture, the descent and illuminating of yourself within the cocoon, and then you emerge from the cocoon with wet wings
As a butterfly to begin the next half of your life.
Tansy Rodgers (01:02.926)
Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (01:15.404)
Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name's Tansy, and I'm an intuitive Crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It's time to talk all things energy. Let's dive in.
Today we're gonna be talking about anxiety, stress, insomnia, worry, procrastination, and self-sabotage, but not from the usual angle of trying to make it go away that you probably have heard about so often. We're gonna go somewhere so much deeper. What if, what if some of the symptoms that we'd label as problems are not actually problems? What if they're signals?
What if anxiety is not always evidence that something is wrong with you, but sometimes evidence that something inside is really trying to evolve and expand? And I want to say this clearly: this isn't about dismissing mental health struggles, diagnoses, or any of that real need for support, right? We're not talking about dismissal.
We're talking about widening the lens. It's about asking what our symptoms may be trying to reveal before we rush in to silence them. My guest today is Dr. Michael Glock. He's a philosopher, futurist, hypnotherapist, and co-founder of Joymind, one of the largest hypnotherapy platforms in America. He's trained in Jungian and depth psychology and developed hermeneutic hypnosis.
Dr. Michael Glock (02:46.654)
Okay.
Tansy Rodgers (03:06.796)
Which is a framework that blends hypnosis, neuroscience, mythology, symbolic thinking, and storytelling to help people rewrite the unconscious narratives that are shaping their lives. We're going to talk about anxiety as initiation and the unconscious stories that drive burnout and self sabotage and why childhood adaptations can become adult.
operating systems and how to move from survival mode into self-authorship. We're gonna be going deep. All right, Dr. Michael, thank you so much for being here. Let's dive in. Welcome to the show.
Dr. Michael Glock (03:48.296)
thank you so much, Danzi. It's I'm delighted. What a wonderful introduction. Yes, everything is true. And and please press me and and and get the answers so that your audience can really truly understand what it is that you've just introduced and I will explain how it happens and how it works.
Tansy Rodgers (04:12.174)
All right. Well, let's actually just start with that question right at the heart of this conversation. When someone comes to you with anxiety, insomnia, stress, or self-sabotage, how do you begin to really discern whether it is simply a symptom to manage or an initiation into a deeper transformation?
Dr. Michael Glock (04:33.998)
Okay, so great question. let me set this up a little bit. I'm a philosopher. I've traveled all over the world, lectured Princeton, Yale, Itiharan, Switzerland, London, I'm leaving for London next month. Most people come to me when something is broken or something has ruptured from their ordinary life. So the way that we structure the journey that you work with
When you work with me is there's an act one, an act two, and an act three. This goes all of the way back to Greece and the invention of entertainment and this three act arc, which is part of everything that unfolds in the universe. It's the beginning, the middle, and the end. It can also be understood as birth, death, and rebirth. So how I position this work is when something has broken.
When you are experiencing insomnia, anxiety, stress, tension, your job, your work, your relationship, whatever, something has shifted in your ordinary world and you have now ruptured out of it and you descend into a liminal space. And in this liminal space, this is the underworld, this is the world of your dreams, this is the
Thin membrane between this world and and what is out there, the holy other. Carl Jung described this holy other as the collective unconscious. And within the collective unconscious, there are the archetypes and the a priori figures. So the work that you do with me over three acts, birth, death, and rebirth, is at the very beginning, I
I work with a method called hermeneutic hypnotherapy and the premise of hermeneutic hypnotherapy is that you're not broken. There's nothing wrong with you. In fact, by the time you've worked with me, you end up realizing that whatever it is, whatever the issue is that's brought you here to me to this sacred space is a blessing.
Dr. Michael Glock (06:53.28)
And it's been now reframed because it actually is the beginning of your initiation. It is the moment of birth because what you're experiencing is a deep construction that goes all of the way back to your birth. You have mimicked your mother and father. You've gone to school. You wanted to look like everybody else. The world out there hangs by a thin thread.
There's a level of toxicity. The simplest way of understanding what happens is that before seeing me, you're basically asleep and you're full of symptomatic conditions. Carl Jung said, and so Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung are the two fathers of depth psychology. And Carl Jung said, that which is not made conscious is.
Doomed to live out in the world is fate. And so whatever your issue is, that is your fate. That is the destiny that you're living. And it is you're experiencing these symptoms, whatever it is, whatever it is.
It is this idea that over the decades you have discarded, you have exiled, you have abandoned, you have experienced significant traumas. And this work is about gathering back those fragments, understanding what has happened. Most of us sense
A meaninglessness in our life that contributes to the anxiety, to the stress. Is this the right marriage? What has happened to my relationship? Where am I going? Am I really vibing? Most of the people that come and work with me are in midlife. That's the classic midlife struggle. It's the crossroads, and I welcome you to sit with me. One of the things that I say at the very beginning is, do you remember the phrase?
Dr. Michael Glock (09:07.008)
or do you know the phrase, when the pupil is ready, the master will appear? Okay, well, hello, and you know, it's like you're sitting with a master. You've never met anyone like me, and the dialogue is rich and deep in the first session. Most of my clients cry. Some of my clients cry throughout because they suddenly realize that decades have gone by.
And why didn't they have this conversation ten, twenty, thirty, forty years ago? It's remarkable work.
Tansy Rodgers (09:47.598)
Does you mentioned about Carl Jung talking about how our fate, we become and act out our fate based off of what gets stuck in that subconscious, what stays hidden in that subconscious. Does your fate change depending on what you pull out of your up subconscious to actually address?
Dr. Michael Glock (10:10.782)
that's the transformation. So I use so I'm deeply connected to the underworld, to dreams, and we tend the dreams. Most people are not even dreaming. They cannot remember their dreams. They are cut off from their own inner life. So we awaken this reconnection to the body, to the
to the somatic body, to the intelligence of the body and
Dr. Michael Glock (10:46.658)
The dreams people the way that they interact with the world is symbolically. They they interact with a way in which that they
Dr. Michael Glock (11:01.912)
Tell stories, share stories, participate in stories, experience stories, and and this idea of the unconscious. So the metaphor that I use a lot, let's use biology. Remember biology one hundred one, the story, the life cycle of the caterpillar? So the caterpillar's born and it has an instinct to eat and eat and eat and just consume, pretty much like you and me.
and everybody else that was born. They just like consume and they eat and eat and eat from their culture, from their from their tribe, from their mothers and fathers, from the dominant religion or faith of the household, to their extended community and to the group and to the nation. They just consume and consume and consume. That happens in the first half of life, the caterpillar and does that and and halfway through the caterpillar's life,
It just cannot eat anymore. It's just consumed so much. It's riddled with anxiety and tension and hopelessness and meaninglessness and and they've chosen the wrong marriage. And maybe it's a second or third marriage or or career or whatever, or children, or whatever is going on. In the middle of life, the caterpillar cannot eat anymore. And so it weaves itself into a cocoon and it dies.
The truth is, we know it's not dying, it's engaged in metamorphosis. Because inside the DNA and RNA over the caterpillar is a code that says one day in the future you're going to be a butterfly. And this cocoon, inside this cocoon, which is inside the work that you do here with me or that you do inside hypnotherapy with Joymind.
Inside this cocoon is that you actually begin to dissolve your entire caterpillar body, and it is metamorphosis. And at the end of the sessions, at the end of the group, the package, you emerge in a whole new way. You re-enter your ordinary world, but you are transformed. You have ruptured from your ordinary world.
Dr. Michael Glock (13:19.288)
Descended into a liminal space where we work with the subconscious, with the unconscious, with the dreams, with the figures. We bring meaning to the meaninglessness of what has happened in the decades before. And we address and reframe the primary wounds and the struggles and the difficulties because when all of those happened.
Your mind was not developed, you did not have the experiences. So you made up stories in order to survive. So we address this, we understand why we made those stories up. And what I do is articulate this as an initial operating system that was installed. And I call it OS 1.0.
And the journey work that we do together inside the chrysalis of the caterpillar is that we retire. We we archive OS one point and we reformat your hard drive and then the sessions towards the end of the three act arc is we
Install a new operating system, operating system two point zero that allows you to blossom into the next half of your life.
Tansy Rodgers (14:53.198)
You know, I feel like so many people think I'm gonna trans, I'm gonna make a transformation, and they think it's this one and done thing. And reality is you're talking, my goodness, the amount of three acts that each one of us has as a human being throughout our entire lives, constantly birth, death, rebirth, over and over and over again. Oof.
Dr. Michael Glock (15:18.422)
Yes indeed. I love this idea. So so just to underline what you've just shared, is that this is a lifelong process agreed. It is a d constant journey of this three act arc. Everything is born, everything matures, and everything comes to an end. Happens on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, decade by decade basis. Now
There is something else that's going on too, is that at the end of this work, the direction that we're headed is towards mastery and enlightenment. It's towards self-realization. It's towards self-actualization. It is all of the models that you know in the world, Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It is Sri Aurobindo's work with self-realization. It is Carl Jung's own individuation.
It is the developmental human growth and transformation of Eric Erickson and the seven stages of human development. It's all of those. And at the end of this work, people are totally, well, amazed.
They feel deeply blessed. I I have an idea. Let me read you a poem, because I usually read this poem at the end of people working with me. And I I have to pull it up, but I'll just keep talking while I pull that up.
Tansy Rodgers (17:02.694)
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Dr. Michael Glock (18:38.03)
So this idea is that this is the journey that you're on from unconsciousness to consciousness, from meaninglessness to meaning. And and you become enlightened. You can use whatever word, you become blessed. Okay, that's the poem we're gonna read. but so you have this ability and let's just use the word enlightenment because it's it's rich, it's deep. you become enlightened.
So here's the thing. Here's the response to your
Dr. Michael Glock (19:13.762)
Remember the saying? Before enlightenment you do the laundry and after enlightenment you do the laundry. Your life is no different. You still have all of the storms that come in. You still have the kids. You still have your career. You still have that hunger of really finding what it is that you're really good at in the world implying your trade.
You still have all of that, but suddenly what has happened here. And let me see if I can articulate that. What has happened is when you first arrived at me, you forgot that you're the captain of your own ship and you've abandoned your own ship and you're caught in a tremendous gale, and the storms are blowing and and the sails are torn and your masts are broken.
And I've found you on a life raft and you've done a May Day call and and you've found your way here and I've towed you into my marina and I'm gonna rebuild your ship with you. We're gonna mend the sails, fix the masts, fix the cracks in the rubber rudder, rebuild the engines, and we're gonna rebuild the bridge. And at the end of this work your hand is on the helm, ready for you to steer into the future.
Often I, you know, I really I mean you're all strangers, so please just listen to me carefully. What I want to say is after this work, yes, you're enlightened, but there's still a great deal of work and life just keeps on happening. secondly, at the end of this work, you're gonna end up being more creative, you're gonna be more intuitive, you're gonna be sleeping through the night.
the all of the horrors and terrors and traumas will have been placed aside and will no longer have the grip that it currently has on you. And and so, you know, poetry, I often read poetry in all of my work and I read this poem at the end of a of a of a package with a client. you know, obviously if they've
Dr. Michael Glock (21:35.586)
developed, they've grown to this point, so here it is.
I sat a solitary man in a crowded London shop, an open book, an empty cup on the marble table top, while on the shop and street I gazed my body of a sudden blazed, and twenty minutes more or less it seemed so great my happiness that I was blessed and I could bless.
This is the outcome of the work that you do here with me and with Joymind is that you it is a blessing and you gain skills, you gain insights, you have tools that you receive that allow you to bless. When you return to the ordinary world of your life, people ask you where have you been? What have you been?
Have you done? Did you like I can't you look 10 years younger? The weight of the world seems to be off your shoulders. People report that they physically feel lighter. They sleep through the night. All of their worries have disappeared. Now, of course, you know, big caveats underneath. I mean, everybody's unique and different. But the bottom line, the hypnotherapy, and which is the
One of the tools that I use, it allows the trance state to
Dr. Michael Glock (23:11.52)
It uses the trance state to make the mind labile, which means, you know, it's a fancy word, but in the trance state, your mind and all of your thoughts and the way that you think and the stories that you've made up suddenly at deattenuate. They they dial themselves down and the mind becomes labile. It becomes
neuroplastic and it's able to reformat. It's just a very brief moment. It's actually one of the reasons why I love this poem by W. B. Yates, an Irishman. It seems so great, my happiness. And 20 minutes, more or less. And it's 20 minutes that this hypnotherapy happens. And it always happens at the end of each session. And there's a recording and then you listen to it. For me, I
invite you to listen to it three nights in a row. So if you were doing the session with me now, you'd listen to it tonight when you went to bed and you would literally fall asleep because my work activates dream time. I I was I was born in Wellington, New Zealand. You know, my best friends were Maoris. I've spent time in Australia with the Aborigines, worked with Shaman in the Amazon and
I did some cultural anthropology work with a Western Apache. And so my work is indigenous wisdom. It's myth. It's fairy tale. It is, it is beyond all religions. It goes back to the beginning of time. It goes back to the shaman. It goes back to the elders of the tribe that have known. And actually, here's another thing to understand about me and my work is
You can't you cannot really go to anybody within your community to help you figure out what's happened or what's broken or what's wrong because they are all deeply invested in their perspectives and their group think and their cultural think and such like. So they will just trot out what the normal answers are.
Dr. Michael Glock (25:30.286)
So my work, I don't subscribe to the system. I'm a shaman. I live on the outskirts of the village. And you need to travel to me, to the perimeter of your tribe and your community. And you need to sit and you need to open your ears and you need to open your heart and become present and follow the instructions. And then weeks later.
You emerge as a butterfly with wet wings at the beginning of the rest of your life.
Tansy Rodgers (26:08.822)
Yeah. Well, all this work that you are doing, philosophy, union, psychology, hypnosis, mythology, neuroscience. Well, f first off, I just love all this stuff. Just excites me so much. But it excites me. But I wanna know, how did you pull the thread of all of these worlds together for you? Why did you pull the thread together?
Dr. Michael Glock (26:31.894)
Okay, so
I was born in Wellington, New Zealand. My father was German, my mother Russian. I was an immigrant in New Zealand. I've I've experienced that entire immigrant construction.
Dr. Michael Glock (26:54.594)
I left in my late twenties after building a significant career on multiple levels, production design. I've had many lives already. but I do remember when I was very young, like maybe eleven or twelve, I really didn't ha wanna have much to do with my parents because they were, you know, they couldn't even speak English and I
Russian was my first language, German second, third was English. I kind of distanced myself, so I took care of myself. I I found a book for one dollar at a used bookstore, and it was Carl Jung's Man and His Symbols, and I think I was twelve years old, and I just devoured it. My mother also was very bright. My grandmother homeschooled me. I was three years ahead.
in all of the classes in my early education. there was philosophy books. But when I was like early, my mother said, Michael, just my deepest worry is that you're gonna become a philosopher.
Tansy Rodgers (28:11.694)
no.
Dr. Michael Glock (28:14.854)
And psychology shows us that whatever we rebel against, whatever we push up against, we compensate and our life tends to become that. So of course, I have gravitated towards philosophy, to understanding why we're here. How did we turn out this way? What are the possibilities? And I am a deep believer
in this idea of non-specialization. There's this whole idea, you know, the monocultures, you plant the same seeds over and over again, and eventually the land can no longer support that. I really believe that and and depth psychology is very much
engaged in this idea that everything has a voice and that the second half of life is about living life symbolically versus the first half of life, which is very much Sigmund Freud's work in ego building and finding out who you are, what you're good at, enrolling somebody to believe in you, to pay you for what you're good at. You you find your significant other, you get a family together or not, you figure out how to pay the
mortgages and insurances and make that work and you know you push and you build and you make your place. But then in the second half of life you realize that everything's talking to you, that everything is synchronistic, that there's no need to rage against the world anymore because how dare you go on about that it should be some other way. The universe is showing up perfectly. So the right attitude is,
Well, what is this disaster attempting to tell me? You know, what's it like who's visiting now? And the way that I operate is no matter what's going on, it's like I treat it as if it's a dream and we tend the dream and we ask simple questions like, Who's visiting now? So, you know, your significant other just told you that, you know.
Dr. Michael Glock (30:41.558)
Your twenty years of marriage is over and they're leaving at the end of the month. It's like, yes, it's totally appropriate to freak out and to fall apart. But then you come do this work and we dig into that and and we we under begin to understand why that's happening and what is happening.
Tansy Rodgers (31:07.39)
Well, Dr. Michael, you talk about these unconscious narratives. You've talked about this a few times now. I'm curious, let's dive a little deeper here. What are these unconscious narratives and how do they quietly start to shape the way that we see ourselves, our relationships, success, money, creativity, all the things?
Dr. Michael Glock (31:27.296)
Okay, that is a very good question. how can I most clearly answer that? You know, perhaps
Dr. Michael Glock (31:41.526)
All right, so perhaps let me share a personal story. So I'm answering your question about how do unconscious narratives show up in the world and how do you address them and how do you move through them? Okay, so I've shared that I was an immigrant born in New Zealand, Russian mother, German father.
didn't want to have much to do with them because they were immigrants and they couldn't speak the language, and I wanted to be just like everybody else and dress like I wanted to fit in. I didn't want to be the odd one out. That's what every child learns early on. So I would arrange my own zoological trips. And one Saturday there was a trip, and I was, you know, I'm I'm 12 or 13 years old. And my mother asked me in the morning.
you know, do you want me to make some egg sandwiches or or you know, here's some water, here's a backpack. No, nope, I don't need anything. So I left. You know, five miles later, hiking around the coast of Wellington, New Zealand to watch the seals give birth, all of the people all of the kids are with their mothers and fathers and they've all got their supplies and I arrived totally thirsty.
Hungry, exhausted, and I'm I figure out what I can do is I can go around and I can collect little driftwood and bring it with open hands to the people that are making their little barbecues for their lunch. And I'm too shy to ask, I'm too shy to say you know, I screwed up, I I don't have any water, I don't have any food, you know.
And and you know, somebody eventually took pity on me and gave me some food. And but my point is, thirty years later, that's still the chip on my shoulder. I'm going around, I've now immigrated to America and I'm going around to all of the jobs, and it's kind of like I got little sticks of kindling. Give me a little bit. It's like I'm too shy to ask for what I'm worth, my intelligence, my capabilities.
Dr. Michael Glock (34:04.78)
I never really make it. I'm on like, you know, twenty-eight startups later. I go do a hypnotherapy session and the hypnotherapist says, Michael, let's go back to that. So we recreate that whole scene. Next minute she says, do you hear that seagull in the sky? And I say, Well, no, I don't. But yeah, no, there it is. you've suddenly become the seagull.
And now you look down and look at that little boy at thirteen, sort of hungry and desperate. And and why didn't you s just say hello to him and say, you know what? It's okay, you're gonna make it because I'm me 40 years later, and we made it. We made it. And so that's the simple way. And everybody's got that story. Like let me share on
So let me share another story. It's like a composite, but okay, so
Mid fifties woman, married for thirty-five years, incredibly successful. Husband says, it's over. She comes and sits with me, and she realizes that she gave up on herself. She gave up her career, her her college degree, what she really wanted to do in the world.
She did everything that he wanted. She raised the children. She lost her voice. And when she first came to me, sh it was difficult for her to sort of speak and breathe. And her it was like and then you she would choke up and she at the end of the work with me is that her voice is clear and she's clear that she gave up on herself.
Dr. Michael Glock (36:01.11)
And it had nothing to do with him, the relationship, whatever, and the relationship is is, you know, perfectly complete and there's a completion and there's a meaningfulness that has now occurred.
Tansy Rodgers (36:19.01)
Yeah, yeah. And so, okay, let's Dr. Michael, let's pull everything together now. So we're talking about these these narratives, these unconscious narratives, which can lead to feelings like anxiety, right? Like all of those all of those emotions that are face forward from these unconscious narratives that are being stuffed down and pushed back, like we talked about earlier, right? But when something so
You have the unconscious narrative, you have the emotion, let's just say anxiety that is pushing through right now. You know something is trying to evolve. You know this, right? But what if you're in the middle of an anxiety crisis and you're not feeling evolved at all? You're feeling like your world is falling apart. How do you navigate that?
Dr. Michael Glock (37:09.262)
Okay, well, there's many many tools and procedures and techniques, you know, depending on what works for you. It's like I often suggest getting a rubber band and sticking it over your left wrist and when you're in the throes of that incredible grip of emotion and feeling, you just grab that rubber band and snap it, you know, make it hurt a little bit and stat yourself out of it. And I embed that within a hypnotherapeutic trance and then
There it is. Boom. You've snapped yourself out of it. Or you get yourself in that moment, boom, it the whole thing just explodes. Just name three things in front of you: keyboard, road, microphone, monitor, boom. It's like you can't do multiple things at once. You have ways and tools to just snap yourself out of it. And then, you know, I I talk a lot about loving kindness and the loving kindness meditation and and and when look.
Most of us have never been taught to say to ourselves, I like that. When something good happens, you say, pat yourself on the back. It's like, I like that. you know, I'm gonna make myself a nice little lunch or have a little avocado toast or I'm gonna take myself out to a coffee, you know. all we do is we just go on and on about all of the tragedies and everything, and we enroll, and it's like, look.
Here's the here's the secret. Basically everyone's in a trance. And the work that I'm doing here with you is I'm disconnecting you from the unconscious trance that you're in.
Here's another example. So okay, basically everyone is deeply embedded in their own habitual routines. Psychologically, this is how human beings are wired. It's fight or flight. And so you've done something once and you've got to figure out whether or not it is dangerous or whether it's pleasurable.
Dr. Michael Glock (39:24.332)
And once you figured out what it is, it's like then you do the same thing over and over again because you know what the likely outcome is of that transaction of that interaction. So we are habitual creatures and we've just learnt that and that is hypnosis because we've repeated it over and over. And so now it's the rut of the wagon wheels and all of the wagons that follow follow that trail to
You know, the West.
Tansy Rodgers (39:57.272)
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Dr. Michael Glock (41:24.97)
so one of the one of the mechanisms that I use is I ask, let's I'll let's do it with you, you know, work with me here. Okay. Okay. So are you do you sometimes do grocery shopping? Okay. Okay. So tell me the grocery store that you usually go to.
Tansy Rodgers (41:40.374)
Of course. Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (41:46.766)
I usually go to one called Giant.
Dr. Michael Glock (41:49.624)
Giant. Giant or giants.
Tansy Rodgers (41:52.222)
Giant. Giant. No S, yes.
Dr. Michael Glock (41:53.752)
Giant Okay. I'm assuming that you have to hop into your vehicle and drive there. Okay, so hop into your vehicle and drive there. Sometimes I I invite my clients to just close their eyelids because when their eyelids are closed, it's kind of like you sink into it a little bit more. So just imagine you've hopped in, you have a to-do list, you're on your way to Giant, you hop into your vehicle, you drive there, there must be a car park in the front.
Tansy Rodgers (42:00.492)
Yes.
Dr. Michael Glock (42:23.694)
Correct, you park your vehicle, you walk up to the front door of giant, yes, see that? Okay, now you walk through that threshold, like from the outside inside to giant, you've walked through that threshold. Which way do you usually turn? Okay, is it possible for you to turn right or to go straight ahead?
Tansy Rodgers (42:38.816)
Left.
Tansy Rodgers (42:44.878)
I can't really turn right, but I can go straight ahead.
Dr. Michael Glock (42:47.862)
Okay, I invite you to go straight ahead. And now it's different than what you've always done before. And I want you to now just open your eyelids, just you know, open your eyelids now. Very good. Come back to me and go straight ahead into Giant and open your eyes and have a look at stuff. And I want you to find something that's just ridiculous for you to buy. Like I don't know if they have socks, but just imagine they had socks or something else that you don't need.
something inexpensive and you buy it and now you come home and I invite you to put those socks into the freezer. And then, you know, if you've got a husband or you've got a family or whatever, you know, a couple of days later so there's a shriek from the kitchen and, you know, what are these frozen socks doing? And and you laugh and then you share the journey that you're on because you're you're on a on a program to break habits and
This whole story now is going to live with you for the rest of your life. And it becomes a form of hypnotic entrainment that supports you in breaking the habits. And now, next time you go, I invite you to drive a different way. I invite you to everything that you do, start doing things differently. I I in my work I talk a lot about Joseph Campbell and
the hero's journey and at the beginning of ever every hero's journey, there's a call to adventure. And either you can choose to accept that call to adventure or deny it. So, you know, your husband after thirty five years has said, that's it. I'll be out by the end of the month. It's over. You know, we'll we'll split everything amically and fairly and but, you know, it's over.
That's a call to adventure. Either you can resist, deny it, fight it, flail, lose yourself. Many people never recover. Or you can say, it's a call to adventure. So now the first person to show up is the mentor, a guide, a shaman. And now you travel around the wheel and at the end you return back.
Dr. Michael Glock (45:11.094)
You do the the journey, the rupture, the descent into liminal space, the rebuilding of yourself within the cocoon, and then you emerge from the cocoon with wet wings as a butterfly to begin the next half of your life. And it has everything to do with being in a trance and getting out of the trance that you're in. It's reconnecting your soul.
To who you are really meant to be. Because the truth is, the truth is, Tansy, you've been constructed. You think you're free. You you think you have all of these unique and original ideas, but you you know, you're just doing it whatever your mother and father sort of instilled in you. We are mimics, that's how we learn.
So yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (46:03.53)
And and that's on a that's on a deeper level. If you even think about if you even think about the consistent conditioning that you get every single day just by looking around at all the marketing that's going on, if you even just look at that, that is on such a surface level. This is so much deeper that we are being we've literally have been trained since the moment that we were brought into that we even were a thought in the womb.
Dr. Michael Glock (46:29.294)
Hundred percent. Yeah. Hundred percent. Yes. It's you know, people describe this work as
Like you wake up and it's almost like you've been asleep your whole life. And
Everything begins to change and
So yeah, it's it's it's remarkable, remarkable work. I mean, let me just say a couple of things, you know. Every symptom that you experience is carrying a story and a message. And what we're doing is we're unpacking that story and that message and and we do all sorts of things like, you know, we do gestalt work. So so okay, let's just do that again. So just share something with me that
troubles you or or there's an issue that's been there, you know, lifelong for you. Just I'll show you how it works.
Tansy Rodgers (47:31.214)
okay. I'm gonna say that I know one of my core wounds that I have always been trying to that I'm always constantly working with or trying to improve is my sense of worthiness.
Dr. Michael Glock (47:47.03)
Okay. Okay. Your sense of worthiness now just check into your body where that lands. Where is that sense of worthiness in your body? Where do you feel it?
Tansy Rodgers (47:56.363)
Mm. Right in my right in my gut, more in like the sacral chakra, solar plexus chakra, more sacral chakra.
Dr. Michael Glock (48:06.318)
Okay, so go there, go there and and let's give let's give that let's let's imagine that it is an entity, it's a being of some sort. Let's let's give this what is it that you said, self worth?
Tansy Rodgers (48:24.385)
Yeah, worthiness. Yep.
Dr. Michael Glock (48:25.998)
Okay. So worthiness. Let's give this worthiness a name, like as if it's a character, as if it's an entity, as if it's a being and it's in your sacral chakra.
What would be your name for this?
Tansy Rodgers (48:41.55)
Hmm.
Tansy Rodgers (48:46.463)
Dr. Michael Glock (48:47.534)
go on, go on.
Tansy Rodgers (48:49.876)
I don't even know, I don't even know. I don't even know. let's just let's just call it let's just call it ruthless ruth.
Dr. Michael Glock (48:53.806)
Okay.
Dr. Michael Glock (49:00.97)
Okay, Ruthless Ruth. Okay, so all right, so just imagine Ruthless Ruth is right there right now. Okay. And now give Ruthless Ruth a voice. What does Ruthless Ruth at this very moment want to share with you? Now have Ruthless Ruth share, talk to you right now in her voice, as if this is real. And just notice what's happening right now in the feeling that you're experiencing.
Tansy Rodgers (49:30.838)
Mm.
You don't know what you're talking about. You never know what you're talking about. How could you possibly know what you're talking about? You're just a little girl. That's all that you are.
Dr. Michael Glock (49:43.17)
Okay. Okay. How old are you? How old are you? How old is that little girl?
Tansy Rodgers (49:46.326)
Mm.
I am I am about I am about eight.
Dr. Michael Glock (49:57.068)
Okay, all right. Go go to eight. What's the context? What was your life like at eight? What was going on? What's the context at eight? That that ruthless Ruth just says this. What's happening at eight?
Tansy Rodgers (50:11.028)
There is well, first off, there was so much self-discovery, but there is one picture, one image of me that pops into my mind when you ask me that. And that is me standing there in this picture with my hands crossed and just irritated and like my head's down and my long straight brown hair is just kind of over my face. And I know that at that point I was trying so hard to understand my emotions.
And to really be able to get through and navigate some of the frustrations that I would feel and the quick the quick senses of overstimulation and anger that would pop up. Yeah, that yes. Very fair.
Dr. Michael Glock (50:55.8)
Very well articulated. So just hold on to that for a moment. You're eight years old and you are sitting there like I mean standing there you have hands clenched and you're just like totally trying to manage everything, role and self worth and understanding it all. Okay, so may I ask your age right now?
Tansy Rodgers (51:17.666)
Mm-hmm. I'm forty eight.
Dr. Michael Glock (51:19.254)
Okay. So here, look, let's do a thought experiment. Let's just like to do a thought experiment, Zen beginner's mind. Let go. The expert will never learn anything new. So just pretend like, you know, you're at the beginning again and you're listening to things for the first time. Open your ears, open your heart, stay connected to this eight-year-old. You just said what, you're forty-eight? Mm-hmm. Yep. Okay, you're forty-eight. All right. So
Let's do a thought experiment. A thought experiment, you know, comes from science scientists. They invent a hypothesis, then they invent an experiment, they run the experiment, the experiment produces data, and then they take that data and they match it against the hypothesis. And if it's true, they all go to the pub, have cheers, and then they hand that experiment off to somebody else. They get the same result, and suddenly that's the truth, that's science, that's how the world works.
That's proof. A thought experiment is an experiment that perhaps can't be done yet, doesn't have the equipment, or it's just in the mind. So let's just do a little thought experiment in the mind. Okay. You've told me that you're forty-eight years old, yes? Mm-hmm. Okay. Now, we talked to Ruthless Ruth, right? She said, my goodness me, you don't know what you're talking about and
It's like you're an imposter, it's like, come on, come on, right? That's Ruthless Ruth, right? Then we went to eight years old because there was a connection, there was an imprint, there was a cord that connected Ruthless Ruth and this feeling in your solarplexes to a physical stance and you attempting to connect with your emotions and your growth and you're growing up and and you were like irritated and and
So go back to that eight years old, right? So now let's do the thought experiment. The thought experiment is listen to me carefully. Open your ears and open your heart. Listen to me and let go of everything that you know and believe in and the fact that we're in a podcast. Let it all go, right? Let it all go. No, seriously, listen to me. Here's the thought experiment. Here's what I propose.
Dr. Michael Glock (53:41.09)
Tanzy, you are in fact you are not forty-eight years old. You are an eight year old with all of those feelings, and you're still existing in the world as that eight year old. You've never grown up. You never matured. You did not initiate. There's no mechanism in our culture that initiates girls into women.
It is time now for you to let go and understand that that eight-year-old, yes, had all of those things. But the eight-year-old now no longer has the skills and the ability to function in the world as you are here now at forty-eight. You're a remarkable, extraordinary human being.
pushing the boundaries of insight, communicating to others about what the possibilities are. And yet most of the time, you are talking to them out of this eight-year-old. It's time for you to grow up.
And now gently I'm gonna three, two, one, three, take a deep breath into your body, two, and now one, just flutter your eyelids and just come back to me. So now just let that sit. Let that sit. Because what that has now done is opened up a great deal of work. You might, you know, I I recommend
To all of my clients to start a journal, a notebook, or a diary on the first session that they have with me, if they're with me for four weeks, eight weeks, twelve weeks, or twenty-four weeks, use that journal, document what is happening. I would suggest, invite you to do that is go back to that eight-year-old. Think through what all of those feelings, the context.
Tansy Rodgers (55:47.902)
I could feel myself when I had my eyes closed. I could feel myself expanding and pulling away from that connection, that connection to that little girl. And not in a, not in a disconnecting way, just a freeing up. Yeah. Yeah. And honoring. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Wow.
Dr. Michael Glock (56:03.82)
Yes, an honoring.
Dr. Michael Glock (56:08.896)
It's a release. And sometimes we're incredibly stubborn. So within the trance state, you know, we go do, you know, when you build a building, and this is another metaphor I use a lot. It's like we're building a new house for you to live in. We are building a new house for you to live in. And and and you know, at the beginning you you buy the block of land and then, you know, you get the money to build the house and get the architect to build the model.
And then there's the ceremony where you cut the ribbon. So often we go do that ceremony and we cut the cords to these old stories, to these old wounds, and finally let them go. And the truth is we are all just we've all got these psychic cords going everywhere to all of this. You know, the first love. I'll never find a love that's like that first love. And so
You know, yet you've been married for twenty years. So it's all it's an amazing work and I thank you so much for having me on.
Tansy Rodgers (57:15.262)
Yes, Dr. Michael, this was amazing. We there is so much we could have dove into. My goodness. This was amazing. As we wrap it up today, where can people find you? Where what what would you like to share with us so that people can get easier into your world?
Dr. Michael Glock (57:33.454)
Okay, so I'm the co founder of the largest hypnotherapy platform in America and Canada now, and you can connect to my team through joymind.com backslash energy fix. It's as simple as that. You can you can work with anyone from my team, you can work with me. Just it's a it's a free consultation and and I welcome you. I welcome you to the next
phase of your life.
Tansy Rodgers (58:04.268)
Hmm. As always, I will have all of those links down in the show notes to make sure that you can easily get into Dr. Michael's world. Do you have any last words that you would like to lay on the hearts of the listeners for today?
Dr. Michael Glock (58:19.788)
Yeah, let me just finish with a very simple quick poem. forty years ago I spent some time with David White. and and I'm reading you this poem to close because this is what we're delivering. What this is what happens. This is not the age of information. This is not the age of information. Forget the news and the radio and the blurred screen.
This is the time of loaves and fishes, people are hungry, and one good word is bread for a thousand years.
Tansy Rodgers (58:57.582)
Thank you so much for the work that you're doing. Thank you so much for bringing your heart here to this show. I appreciate you so much.
Dr. Michael Glock (59:08.43)
Bless you, Tansy.
Tansy Rodgers (59:12.088)
For everyone listening, if something in this episode landed for you, I hope you give yourself just a little bit of space to get curious. Not to diagnose yourself and not to overanalyze every feeling, and definitely not to make your anxiety another project for you to feel like you need to get perfect. Just to ask yourself, what might this be trying to show me? And until next time, keep spreading that beautiful energy you were born to share.
