Tansy Rodgers (00:13.752)
Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name's Tansy and I'm an intuitive crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It's time to talk all things energy. Let's dive in.
Today's conversation is one that my nervous system has really been grateful for lately. So a little behind the scenes before we hit play on this episode, I've been working with today's guest, my friend, my colleague, Janice Carol for Human Design Coaching. And the aha moments have been so wild. You know, I love human design. I get really excited about it. But it's so funny because all of the stuff that I thought that I knew,
After working with her, I was just, I've been blown open into all of these new possibilities and these new insights. They're the kind of, that's why I've been doing that my whole life kind of moments that make me want to be gentler with myself and really stop trying to squeeze into the boxes that were never actually built for me. And that's what I'm hoping that this episode can do for you too.
Janice is a human design coach and divine feminine healing practitioner. She's devoted to inner truth, to helping you remember who you actually are underneath the conditioning, and to living in radical alignment without burning yourself out trying to be quote unquote good all the time.
In this episode, we're going to be diving into her own healing path. We're gonna be starting with some self-help and where she was at, but also her relationship that she had with religion and Christianity and Jesus. We're gonna be talking about how that slowly opened into shadow work for her, questioning old rules and becoming her own version of this goddess that she has now been stepping forward into.
Tansy Rodgers (02:24.428)
And we're gonna be talking about how human design and the gene keys gave her a framework to not just work on herself, but to actually understand herself and use her energy in a more sustainable way. And so if you've ever felt like you're constantly failing some invisible spiritual checklist or you've outgrown the beliefs that you were handed, but still feel guilty for doing things differently,
or if you've wondered why your energy crashes every time you force yourself to show up the way that everyone else does, well, this conversation is going to feel like such a big hug. It's going to feel like so much validation and it's going to help you to step into that place of you're not crazy. You are just not designed to live the way that you've been living. And
You're not alone. Janice and I keep it real. We talk about the messy parts and we look at how tools like human design can be both both mystical and incredibly practical for your day to day life. So let's settle in. Let's land this however it wants to land for you. Here's my conversation with Janice Carol. Let's dive in.
Tansy Rodgers (03:48.078)
Welcome to the energy fix podcast, Janice. Thank you so much for being here, my friend. I am so excited for you to make your debut.
Yay! Yes, this is very exciting for me too. So I'm happy to be here and happy to be here with you. It's been so fun working with you.
Yeah. So for all the listeners, I'll just say this right off the bat. Janice has become a good friend of mine. And she and I met at a networking event. She does human design, as you probably have already realized, and it's exactly what we're going to get all into today. She does human design, and I've been doing some work with her. And it's been simply amazing. even though I'm so interested and have done my own self-study on human design,
I have learned tons with you in only what the three sessions we've done so far. think it's been three. It's been awesome. So I couldn't imagine somebody more appropriate to be here really diving into human design on this podcast. So thank you, Janice.
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. like I said, excited to be here.
Tansy Rodgers (04:58.722)
Well, let's really get to know you before we dive into all things human design. Let's get to know you on a personal, heartfelt level. Is there a word or a phrase that you're really embodying right now in this season of your life?
There is, the phrase that I've been embodying probably for about the last year is freedom to love. And so part of that is being free is a big thing for me right now. And I think that's especially connected to human design, right? The freedom to be who we are. And then I love the freedom to love part is I feel like I'm breaking out in my sexuality right now too. And that's a huge part even for the divine feminine.
Like I'm coming to this really deeper knowing and realization of how connected our sexuality is to our power and especially as women. that's like, so freedom to love is my big thing right now.
Janice, when life gets hard and things get a little sticky, how do you stay in that place of love and open-heartedness and truth within you without feeling like you take many steps back?
Well, I mean, I think helping, helps to know about human design, right? And to understand that everybody's designed differently. So we're all going to function differently. And to stay in a space of love is to just give people the benefit of the doubt that like they're going through something and this is how their system operates. And maybe that's at a shadow level right now. But to have that grace is just pivotal for me to have that love and to Bruce. And I can only give that if I've received it fully for myself.
Janice Carol (06:46.892)
So first you have to love yourself all the way, you know, a hundred percent. And then whatever you have for yourself, you can give back. Does that make sense?
absolutely does and that's beautiful. And honestly, I feel like that's the most perfect segue into just how you got to where you're at. We're going to get back into this conversation in just a second, but I want to remind you of a couple ways that you can get extra support from me outside of this podcast, especially heading into the holidays. First, if you've been eyeing my jewelry and thinking, okay, but I wish there was a piece designed just for
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Tansy Rodgers (08:48.204)
So just jump on down and tap on that link after you're done listening to this episode. All right, let's get back into it. Here we go. Here's Janice. Opening into that love. So Janice, let's start at your roots. Let's start where it all began. You've shared that your journey started with Jesus and self-help and eventually opened to shadow work, transcending Christianity and reclaiming your goddess energy.
How did that unraveling really shape the way that you hold space for people now?
Well, I think when I had grace bestowed upon me, it's like you can't help but give it to other people. When my journey of healing started, I mean, just to give that background right, I was going through some hard shit and I couldn't figure out why. I was just like, why is all this happening? And I had such a religious background that what I really came down to was like, I haven't made Jesus.
is my foundation, because everything in Christianity says make Jesus your foundation. And I realized I hadn't done that. And so I put all my energy into that. And so when I started going to therapy and I had a really good therapist who encouraged me to do shadow work, he didn't call it that. But that's essentially what we were doing with shadow work. And it was scary as hell. And I was like, I don't want to do this alone. So I just brought Jesus with me everywhere I by shadow work and having that grace.
from him or more realistically this projection of me, because that's really what he was. He was a project of myself and receiving that grace from him. I feel like now I'm able, because I fully embodied it, I can give that same grace to everybody else.
Tansy Rodgers (10:37.91)
Yeah. And so, okay, you touched a little bit on that Christianity side. Tell us what brought you here though. Like, what was going on in the very beginning and how did you even discover human design and get interested in this?
So the therapist that I had worked with, he did a lot of somatic practices. it was whenever I, I would start with like talk therapy kind of things with the stuff that I was going on in my life. And he would pause me and he would say, he's like, okay, I want you to pause. And like, what's happening in your body. He used to say that to me all the time. And I would get so mad. I think I was like six months in one time. I just rolled my eyes and was like, fuck you, Ryan. I don't care what's going on in my body or something. Like I was so mad about.
But I eventually took his challenge and started listening to my body. And so was mindfulness and meditation practices that over years, I got really in tune with my body. And it wasn't until much later, human design, just like I literally read it somewhere on the internet, the words human design came up and something in my body jumped.
And that's all I like. That's all I can say is like something jumped and was like, you need to know more about this. And so I just started learning more and more. And I never imagined I would be doing it as my career or coaching people or teaching. Like that was just kind of like, it was just like a fun thing I learned about, you know, and, it's over the years, it's just evolved and it's been an incredible journey.
I'm going to stick with Ryan here for a moment. Let's talk about what was going on in your body, right? So when human design came in and you first encountered it, what was that felt experience? mean, what shifted in your body, maybe in your physical body, but also in your choices, your energy, when you started actually implementing and living it?
Janice Carol (12:31.598)
So I think when I first, just got the prompting. just like, I needed to learn more about it. And for me, maybe this is kind of silly, but because I'm a projector and as projectors, we don't have our sacral chakra defined. So I don't have access to that consistent go, go, go energy, like 70 % of the population does. And so honestly, when I first read about human design, I was like, this is why I'm so exhausted.
Like, cause it's literally, if you read about projectors, it'll say stuff like, you should probably take naps regularly. That's good for you. And I was like a mom with like two kids at the time and like busy, busy, like I was working. And so was like, yes, I do need more naps. And so it was really just validating at first, but then it just evolved. The more I learned, the more, like I think at first it was just, um, it was validation for what I had already experienced on surface level stuff.
And I was like, it was nice to have somebody recognize that I'm not the same as everybody else, right? Cause most, lot of my family members were like, my older sister was a generator and she could just like get stuff done constantly. Like it was like, and she had a will, her will center was defined too. So she could just like commit to something and do it over and over. And I was just like, I can't function that way. And for a long time I was like, what is wrong with me? So to have that validation was huge. But then as I keep,
I kept learning more. was just like, I kept finding more truth, like more little nuggets and little things that I was like, yeah, I do know that about myself now. Like I didn't know there were words for it, but I do feel it. so using that, like what human design really comes down to is that we're going to look at a body graph and say, this is your energetic blueprint. And it's not just so that we can know you, but it's so that we can utilize how your system functions.
to accomplish your goals. And so when it really started shifting me is when I took all of these principles to heart and said, if this is how my system functions, why don't I utilize the way it functions to get the things done that I want, right? And as a projector, like one of the biggest things is like waiting for the invitation, right? Which is not what anybody in society would tell you to do. If someone's like, you have goals, you should just sit and wait for somebody to ask you to do it.
Janice Carol (14:58.968)
Like that's not applicable to any societal norm. And so to read that and say, and to trust it, like it took faith to be like, okay, I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait for somebody who wants my ore, who wants my energy and asks for it. I'm gonna trust that that's in alignment. And when I truly waited for those opportunities, big leaps happened for me. This being one of them.
Yeah. So how hard was that though? Because the general teachings, especially when you're trying to grow your own work or you're trying to achieve goals, is to push. How hard was that for you to really step back and say, I have to wait for the invitation?
it not at first, it wasn't hard for me. had just gotten out of like a really stressful job. our, like my finances were stable enough. so if anything, was a relief. It was a relief to say, don't have to push. In fact, I get to sit and wait and rest. And that was like beautiful permission for me. I had, I actually just taught a workshop last night and we had six projectors out of
there were like 10 of us and there were six projectors. It was insane, which is a lot. If you know, if anyone knows about projectors, they're not that common. And so I just told them, I was like, I know your strategy is to wait to for the invitation, but I was like, the best thing about being a projector is that while you're waiting, you get to do whatever the fuck you want. And that's literally in design for projectors to just like, so that's what I did. I was like full permission to do what I want to do. And I did.
And at the time, that was just learn more about human design. So I just kept studying it for fun.
Tansy Rodgers (16:45.96)
it. All right, so you've thrown around a few words. Projector, generator, you talked about your blueprint and your design. Let's just kind of, let's start at the very bottom and just talk about what is human design and how exactly is that blueprint determined.
So the blueprint is determined on your birthday, birthday time and location. And that has more of an astrological aspect to it. And honestly, I don't get into the nitty gritty of the science of it. I know there are a lot of people in human design that do that. I have personally never felt guided to that. Even when I was in religion, I never felt guided into getting to like science data part of it. It's always been a very spiritual journey for me, a very embodiment journey. But really you just go on and you can find an app.
You can go on a website, there's tons of them, put your birthday in, get your chart. And then your body graph, a lot of people, the issues that they'll look at the body graph and it looks so complicated and overwhelming. And there's so much information. And then they're like, my God, it's going to take me forever to learn about this. Maybe I'll just put it aside, right? And so in my opinion, you can really just like simplify the body graph to just one major concept. Anything that's colored in is where you provide energy.
Anything that's not colored in is where you receive energy. And it's this energetic exchange of providing and receiving, giving, taking, right? It's that exchange that creates that energetic flow. And everybody's flow looks a little bit different, but we all have.
It does. And so you talked about these centers and this flow, this energy exchange that happens. I want to dive just a little bit into that. So many of us start to feel stuck in these patterns of performing and proving and pushing. And we talked a little bit about that being a projector, right? That you're designed to do the opposite. so, and so
Tansy Rodgers (18:53.62)
So many people do get stuck in that though. How does human design really reveal where we're leaking energy, you know, from these centers? Like where are we leaking energy and how can it give us permission to actually live a little bit differently?
Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know if I would use the word leaking per se, because it's just a natural process. You're going to give energy where you give energy. think where we struggle is when we think we have to give energy where we're not designed to give energy. So if you're a generator or a manifesting generator, that means you have a defined sacral. The sacral is like the energetic powerhouse. That's like, you can go, go, go get things done. Those are the people that are designed for the nine to five job.
And you can do that. That's healthy for your body, right? But that's not gonna be healthy for other energy types. And it's not how your aura is gonna function. So really, when you really get down to the basics, we're gonna talk about how your aura functions and that's gonna impact how your strategy is. And then which of those chakras or centers in human design, which ones are highlighted and which ones are not highlighted, right? Which ones are you giving energy and which are you receiving? And we tend to push
if you're using that word push, we tend to push in those open centers, those ones that are white, because we think we're not enough. Any part of your chart that's colored in, you're gonna have consistent energy flowing outward, and you might actually feel too much there. I have a defined throat center, and I have six gifts in my throat, and I love talking. Do you know how many people in my life have told me that I'm too loud, that I talk too much, that I share too much information?
Right? Because I have so much energy coming out of my throat to do that. And it's actually healthy for me when I'm in the right place with the right people waiting for the right invitation. Right? But then in areas where my centers are open, I feel like I'm not enough. Like we, I know you and I have worked specifically on the root center and the root being open. And the root is where you get safety and stability. You process adrenaline, right? There's a lot of people in the medical professional field I've noticed that have
Janice Carol (21:07.118)
they'll find root centers because they have consistent access to that adrenaline safety, stability, energy. And I didn't have access to that. So for so much of my life, I felt like I didn't have enough safety. I was not enough in this stability safety realm, but guess what? I'm not designed to be that way. So my life will keep changing over and over. And even my family will say this about me all the time. Just like Janice is all over the place. Like she's, she never settles down. She's not stable because
That's the way I receive and I'm inconsistent, right? I might completely explain that, right? But if you think about it in just those simple terms of being too much or not enough, most of us are conditioned to push where we're not enough. And when we finally release that, when we finally let go and say, actually, I'm not meant to push in this area. So how about I just like calm down, pause and claim it for myself?
Yeah. And so, okay, let's actually just noodle in a little bit more. Let's give some real life examples. So let's say your Root Chakra is open. We'll start with that one. Root Chakra is open. What if somebody's Root Chakra is open and that would be the non-colored, so the white, if you have the Root Center white on your chart.
What kind of things might somebody actually do in their everyday that would show that maybe they're pushing or trying to prove because that center is open?
A lot of times with open root centers, they won't feel relaxed until their to-do list is done. was that, did you identify with that when you smile?
Tansy Rodgers (22:53.656)
Yeah, yeah, she said that and I laugh. I literally like my face just got a huge smile and I laugh because that is so me. Yeah.
Open Root Centers, we can't calm down until everything's done. like, and I like, for example, I used to do this all the time. Was like, couldn't, I couldn't just sit and watch a movie if I knew there were like dishes in the sink or like laundry had to be folded or something. It was like my body couldn't calm down because things weren't done yet. It's just this, it's like this urgency or the anxiety to finish things because then it's like, now I can be calm. Now I can relax.
So that's like one part of the route on a functional level. When we're talking though, more emotional or more psychological, like for me, I've noticed this not enough energy comes more in the form of like money, safety for money, safety in a relationship, safety in career, like with friendships or community, like things like that where you think, where I think, I have to push
to make the money, to find the job, to get the community, whatever it is that I believe is going to provide me safety. The reality is I received the safety first and then I attract all those things as opposed to pushing the energy out. So like, for example, we'll go back to like the root and the throat. This is one thing that I worked with my mentor specifically was that I was so focused during our sessions. I was so focused on like, well, how do I provide like
How do I do this? How do I do that? I like, need all the things. And she was just like, Janice, you're looking for safety and all these things because you have this open route. She's like, stop, like just receive it. You have six gifts in your throat. Why aren't you sharing more information? Cause at that time I wasn't, I wasn't like really talking about human design. wasn't like sharing it. wasn't opening my business up to all these things, right? I was kind of like reserved back. I was like, well, I'm waiting. I'm waiting to share all my gifts until I have this safety. And she's like, no, you have the order around.
Janice Carol (24:59.32)
You have that wrong. Just receive the safety and start putting your gifts out into the world.
Yeah. Well, really, you were stepping into this place of radical alignment. Yes. Yeah. And trying to understand how to become radically aligned. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, well, and part of that radical alignment is letting yourself receive where you're designed to receive and put out where you're designed to put out. But a lot of us, we actually stop ourselves from putting out where we're designed to because we're waiting for those open centers to feel like we're enough. It's like, well, I'll put my gifts out into the world once I have this thing figured out.
Right? But the reality is you're never going to have that thing figured out because you're always designed to receive it. You're not designed to create that. And so we, and that's why people get stuck. We think, I'll start the dream. I'll start the thing when I, when I have all these things ready. And it's like, no, whatever your gifts are, they're going to come naturally to you and you can start putting them out right now. Just claim what you're going to receive. And it's, it's yours. It's already, it's energy. just receive it. Like, I feel like you asked me that one time of like,
Well, how do I receive it, Janice? I was like, just claim it. Tell the universe it's yours, because it is.
Tansy Rodgers (26:17.44)
Yeah, and I think, I think at least for me, that can always feel so tricky because every moment of life looks different. Some are messy, some are easy, some are, are, you know, whatever. But I'm curious, what does living in this radical alignment really look like in a messy everyday moment like parenting or working or navigating relationships? What does that look like?
goodness, I mean, there's so many different scenarios you can go off of. mean, bottom line for me, and I wouldn't necessarily even say this is human design solely, but first of all, living in a place of love and kindness and compassion, like we start with that. Like one of the first things I always tell people before we get into their chart is like, there is nothing wrong with you. There's no part of your chart that's bad or that needs to be fixed. You're not broken.
So if you first start with love, we're gonna start with love with everything in our everyday life, whatever it is. And then with that love, I actually think that when you can come to a situation, whether it be in my case, the toddler throwing a tantrum or the child who's forgotten their lunch at school or whatever, right? Like, cause I'm in the thick of motherhood right now. So I have these everyday challenges coming at me and starting from a place of love, just...
almost just allows me to have understanding and remember that their designs are different. I don't have a defined emotional center. So I'm pretty even keel emotionally unless there's something crazy going on. And the same thing, my ex husband's same way. doesn't have, so when we actually, throughout our 15 year marriage, we never really fought. just, like, if we had issues, we'd talk about it and we'd talk about it calmly. And all three of our children have defined emotional centers, which means
they experienced the wave of emotions consistently all the time. So we had three children who were constantly emotional and we were these even-kill people who are, then, we're absorbing this energy because that's where we receive, right? It was an open center. So we're receiving this and we're just like, what is going on? Right. But when I can, when I can meet my child with love and say, yes, of course you're experiencing all these emotions. You're designed to experiencing emotions. And thank goodness.
Janice Carol (28:37.698)
Because if we didn't have people that experienced all the emotions, life would be so boring. Like I'm a pretty boring person when it comes to emotions. Right? And so that would be my first tip. I know that's not very practical, but start with love.
actually think that is, I think that is the perfect answer. You know, I think it was in our latest session, you and I were sitting and talking and you said, I forget what exactly we were talking about, but I remember thinking to myself, my goodness, you have little ones. How are you staying so grounded and aligned in your charts, in your design, in your blueprint?
when you have to shift and change your attention so much to really just be a mother, a entrepreneur. I mean, there's so many things there. But the fact of just saying, just start with love, I think that is the perfect answer and really just encompasses all of that.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, OK. I want to dial back even just a little bit more and talk about some of these things that you've been bringing up, because I just I want to clear some fog, get a little bit more clarity for the listeners. All right. So it can get really overwhelming. I mean, there is strategy, authority, centers, profiles. There's all of these things, all these words.
Tansy Rodgers (30:13.078)
So let's just talk about some of the very basic stuff. Let's talk about the types and the strategies, the authorities, whatever you feel called to that is important to just talk about the basics so that people even know what some of these words are.
So what I personally think we start with the energy type and your auras, right? So human design is gonna get overwhelming if you dive too deep into it too quickly. And so just, I always advise people just start with the energy type and your energy type is gonna dictate how your aura functions. so, and this just helps people understand why things are the way they are. For example,
And I'll speak to generators and manifesting generators here because that's 70 % of the population. 60 to 70 % will be either a generator or manifesting generator, which means, like we said, that you have a defined sacral, which is a lot of energy. Now, what that sacral is going to do to your energy is you create this big, wide open magnetic aura. so generators and manifesting generators, because they have this big, magnetic aura,
things will just flow to them. Opportunities will come to them. People will come to them. And so understanding that, if you can understand it conceptually, that that's how their aura functions, well, now it makes sense why a generator strategy is to respond to something, right? Because if they're putting all this energy out to initiating, that's not how their aura functions. There's no reason for them to go out and initiate. Their aura is gonna call in opportunities for them, right?
So that's, so understanding just your energy type and how your aura functions will help you build a foundation of like, okay, well now that I know what my aura looks like, that makes sense why my strategy would be this. That makes sense why my theme would be this or my not, or my sign or my not self theme, right? All of it builds off of how that aura functions.
Tansy Rodgers (32:19.224)
And do you find that those are the first places for people to really dive into to get to know themselves?
personally found that's the first place that lights them up. It's like they get it. And so like I just talked about a generator, for example. Here's on the other end of the spectrum, we've got manifestors. Manifestors are energy type that are designed to initiate. Now they have a very closed, in human design, they call it closed and repelling aura.
I don't like that word. I reframe it. say they have a closed and protective aura because our manifestors are here to literally get things started. Now, if they had a big wide open aura, like a generator had, they would be so influenced by everybody else that they would not be able to receive the downloads from source that say what they need to start, what they need to issue. So it's almost like if you think of their aura as more of like this protective bubble,
Now there's no interference from the rest of the auras. They can get the download directly from source that says, is the creative urge I'm going to give you. This is what you need to initiate. And there's no interference from anybody else. The problem with the manifestor is that once they get that creative urge, their auras close. Nobody's going to join them. They can't pick up on their signal. And that's why a manifestor strategy is to initiate and inform.
So when they inform people, that's their way of letting people know, I got this creative urge. I'm informing you. And that's when those generators get on board and the projectors give their guidance and all the things. And when I tell you, when I just tell people about how their aura functions, it's like a light bulb goes off in their brain. They're like, whoa, It's like.
Janice Carol (34:09.676)
Like every single time I tell a generator about like their big wide open aura and how opportunities are flying at them. And that's why they're so busy. And that's why they're so tired. They just look at me like their eyes get real big and they're just like, that makes so much sense. And I'm like, yeah, your aura is designed to bring a lot of opportunities to you. But guess what? You don't have to say yes to all of them. In fact, you're not designed to say yes to all of them. You're supposed to pick.
which ones to say yes to, right? But we have this belief that if something lands in our lap, well, that's my sign that's an alignment. And that's not true for generators. That might be true maybe for a projector, right? If something lands in their lap, that's probably a bigger sign that this is an alignment. But for a generator, shh, shh. Girl, you're gonna have so much landing in your lap, like you better say no to some of it.
And how do generators know what to say no to?
They have to know themselves, right? So I, like we've talked about this before in a workshop. So most, that's what I love too about learning about your aura. So most human design stuff will just say, a generator's strategy is to respond. And if you just tell them that, it doesn't give the generator enough information, right? They need to know themselves. They need to know what they want. They need to know their goals, what they're trying to accomplish, right? And if you start with that, okay, now when all these opportunities fly in.
Okay, I know myself, I know what I want. Ooh, this opportunity that's coming in, nope, that doesn't align with what I want. That's a no, right? And you can even tap into your sacral that's gonna give you that uh-huh or uh-uh response. And so starting, like people get so heavy into human design and because there's so much stuff that contradicts itself. To be honest, when you really dive into human design and especially gene keys, if you get that depth, you are gonna find multiple stuff that's gonna contradict itself.
Janice Carol (35:58.05)
And that's when people get crazy and there's mental gymnastics and then it's not fun anymore, which first of all, if it's not fun, like we shouldn't even doing this anyway. This should be fun to start with. But if we start with just your energy type, like let's just start there and how your aura functions, everything is gonna build off of that and back to it.
say so I'm a generator and I have to say the two things that were really huge for me, I always struggled whenever the information was to respond like you just said. But when you said you have to know yourself first, that was a big light bulb for me because as soon as I heard that I was like, oh okay now I know, now I understand that not everything that comes in that I want to respond to, I
use those air quotes, want to respond to is necessarily still for me. It's really about what aligns with who I am. So that's the one thing. The other big thing too is when you talk about the aura, I thought this was beautiful, you talk about the aura and the different types. And when you talk about generators having that wide aura,
It was that light bulb moment again where I realized like, so this is why so many people come to me just out of nowhere and tell me all of their stuff.
Yeah.
Tansy Rodgers (37:28.782)
Because I and I love it. I love it. But I never understood why I would always joke and say, I must have a sign on my forehead that says come and tell me your tell me your story. Right. But it makes sense now because I'm a generator.
And they're literally drawn to your aura. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like a foundation of human design too, is that you'll see a lot that says like your aura does the talking. Like that's the basis of human design is your energy, your aura is gonna do all the talking, right? But if you are operating from a space that's not in alignment of how your aura is talking, right? Like if you're saying one thing to somebody, but your aura is saying something completely different, you're not in alignment with that.
And that's where you're gonna start meeting resistance. It's about coming back to how your aura functions and practicing that. And that's when you're back in alignment and that's when energy really flows. So the biggest thing you'll start to see is when you really start following the function of your aura. And by that, mean, doing, you're listening to your, you're following your strategy, you're listening to authority, you're checking in on your cues of if something's in alignment or not, right? You're looking at those things and that's just the basics. Now you're in alignment.
Now energy is going to flow, you're not going to meet resistance in the same way that if you were operating the opposite way where you would meet that energetic resistance.
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So as far as how your aura functions, manifesting generators and generators are the same in how their aura functions. There's a lot of differences between managens and generators, but for the sake of simplicity, their aura functions the same. And I know that's hard for some people to grasp, but if you have a defined sacral, you have a big wide open aura, end of story. And then a projector, which this was a huge light bulb moment for me was to,
I had learned the principles of like, as a projector, I'm supposed to wait for the invitation. I'm supposed to, you know, all these things, right? But it wasn't until I learned how my aura functions that I really understood why my strategy was, right? So a projector is meant to be a guide. That's our role in this makeup, right? So a manifestor is going to initiate, generator is going to build, a manifesting generator is going to build and multitask specifically, and a projector is going to be a guide.
Janice Carol (41:30.126)
And the reason, and then our strategy is to wait for the invitation. So essentially we don't want to be guiding people who don't want us to guide them. Like that's a big piece of being a projector. Now that's an easy enough concept to just like fit in your life, but to understand how my aura works embodies it. if you take, and this is what I always tell people, if you take that big, warm, wide open aura that a generator has,
and you take all of that and you put it in a projector and you point it at one thing, right? And when I do this with my hands where I like kind of put my fingers together and point and it's gonna feel like you're slicing somebody open. So my energy as a projector, I take that big wide open aura that a generator has, I focus it. I focus it and point it at one thing. When they literally say that it's piercing, that a projector is
aura is piercing, right? Now for someone who wants to be sliced open, right? Which like I know working with me, Tanzi, I'm sure you've experienced a couple of times where I'm just like, hey, we're going to slice you open. Are you ready for this? Right? But that was because you wanted it. You invited me. You saw my aura and you wanted that, right? Now, if I look...
Previous in my lifetime before that, I knew I had good advice to give. I knew I could guide people, right? Most projectors know that inherently. In fact, we think we're better than other people. It's kind of a thing. And it's not that we are. We're not better than people. But we have this uncanny ability to see things other people sometimes just can't see. And then
And if you didn't know anything about human design, most projectors will grow up thinking like, why is everybody else so stupid? Like, why can't they see all this stuff that just makes sense? it's like, well, the projector has an uncanny ability to see things, right? So we want to give our guidance to everybody. We think everybody wants it, but they don't. They don't want our guidance. It's not how they function. And so if I put that big, intense aura and pointed at somebody who does not want it, it is very offensive to them. And so,
Janice Carol (43:42.402)
And that's, feel like that's life-changing for projectors. I grew up in a family of seven kids and my two parents, there were nine of us and five of us were projectors. So it was a very intense energy in my house growing up. Well, my mom was a projector, so she was one of us. So me and three of my siblings and my mom, we were all projectors and it was intense sometimes. I can like.
parents.
Janice Carol (44:09.966)
I know like the siblings that were projectors, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. And we all have like the five of us who are projectors or my three siblings that are projectors, we pretty much all have the same wound that we just don't feel heard. We don't feel listened to, we don't feel seen. Because when you have that many people trying to give their opinion, when it's not invited, it's just not welcome. It's offensive, right?
And then, so that's a huge thing for projectors to learn is that the reason you wait for the invitation and even before that, the other thing about being a projector and they don't focus enough on this, I feel like in human design to let yourself be seen. And I feel like we saw a perfect example of that when you and I met at that networking event. I was very much in my strategy in my alignment at that networking event. I was not about to push myself onto anybody. I just showed up. I just showed up.
I waited for somebody to ask me to say, is it that you do, Janice? And I'm like, well, I coach human design, right? that's, so I waited for the invitation, right? And I just let myself be seen. Now, typical conditioning would say, well, I need to go talk to everybody. I need to hand them my business card. I need to like, see if they're interested, right? But that's not what I did. I was just like, I'm just gonna show up. I'm gonna let myself be seen. I'm not gonna point my aura at anybody. I'm not gonna focus on anybody.
And then it was just so funny, you and I have talked since then how like, when I spoke, you just knew, you were like, I need her. I need to know more about her, right? And then the invitation came from you. And you're not the only person who has done that with me. That's happened multiple times where I let myself be seen and then I wait for the invitation and it does come when a projector lets themself be seen. that's.
for projectors, that's how their aura functions. And then a reflector is the rarest energy type and they're only 1 % of the population and their chart is completely open. And so they actually have this aura that kind of samples the energy around them. It doesn't absorb it like other energy types would. They kind of take a sample of it and then mirror it back. And that's how their aura functions. I think that's all the ones that, those are the five energy types and all their auras.
Tansy Rodgers (46:25.43)
Yeah, yeah, which is super helpful to understand. And, you know, just making a little comment here about that networking interaction. It was so beautiful when I had that aha of how that played out and could really see it in real life. It was so beautiful. Our energy types really just flowing through our natural design. Me as a generator, you as a projector, you waiting and inviting. Me.
on my end at my computer saying, she probably got busy. That's all right. I'll just reach out to her on Monday. And I did. And I reached out to you. And I invited you to go grab some lunch and some coffee so we could sit and chat and get to know each other. And you said, you came back and said, yes, that sounds great. And ever since that point,
I really could see, I can see that projector in you. I can feel that energy, that piercing energy. But for me, like you said, that's a good thing because I'm inviting it. I want that. I think that that really makes the work that you do quite powerful in all honesty. But it's so interesting when you can actually see things playing out in real life and what that looks like.
Yeah. Yeah. It's really fun. It's really fun to see people in their auras in alignment. And, and I call it quantum leaping. could call it, I sometimes I call it miracle work. Like magical things start to happen when people operate within their aura, because there's no resistance. You've now stepped into the flow of energy of how you're meant to design and so, or how you're designed to function. And so it's just, it's just going to work out. It's like, I'm telling you, it's like magic.
Yeah. It's the craziest thing. And you can't explain it. Somebody will be like, I mean, I guess you could. I mean, there are people who do like quantum physics and things like that and you get really into the science of energy. I don't. I just like to believe it's magic. And even somebody who like, I will never have a conversation with anyone that is going to debate me on whether human design is true or real or any of that. like, I am not here for that. I'm here to believe in magic and it's magical for me. So I'm going to keep doing it.
Tansy Rodgers (48:42.768)
and honestly, when you dive into it, I don't even know how you can deny some of the truths that come out. It is crazy how spot on it is. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know, but I won't, I'm not gonna debate it. But yeah, I have witnessed things where I'm just like, how the fuck did that happen? It was like, well they were in line with their energy and following their gifts. And this goes back to foundational belief too for, I would even say for all mystics, that the universe is supporting you. That...
that your higher power is always conspiring for your benefit, right? Like, and that's what, and I do a lot of work with manifestation too. Like I feel like human design and gene keys and manifestation, they all come together, all this spiritual collective energy, right? And in manifestation, if you believe that the world is out to get you, right? That the world is not a good place, it's not here to support you and you have to fight and push your way through, well, guess what's gonna show up for you?
you're gonna have to fight and push your way through and always meet resistance, right? Because that's what you believe in, right? But if you can step into your aura and trust and the universe shows up for you, it's almost like there's this mystical energy that wants you to succeed, that wants you to be satisfied, that wants you to be at peace, like it wants all these things for you. You just gotta step in alignment when it's gonna show up for you like.
I want to mention something that you just brought up. You said the word gift. And so there are gifts and there are shadows. You talked about gifts a few times here so far. Shadow work and human design go really hand in hand, right? I mean, they really meet each other. And so I would love for us to talk about how do these two meet specifically in your practice, the shadow work and human design. And so for example,
Tansy Rodgers (50:46.05)
When a chart really reveals a potential gift that somebody may have, how do you help somebody work through the shadows that may actually be holding them back from the gifts that they are meant to step into to evolve?
Yeah. So with shadow work, and this is where I transitioned to Gene Keys. And so as a listener, to just explain, so human design was developed and then by Rao Uru and then I think it's Richard Rudd, I believe, who came up with Gene Keys and he was a student of human design and he developed it further. every single, if you just studied human design,
There's 64 different gifts. Now, if you take those gifts and you apply them in gene keys, okay, they're gonna show you that each of these gifts manifests differently depending on what frequency it's vibrating at. So you have primary gifts within your body graph that if you're vibrating at a shadow level, these are gonna show up in a shadow frequency and they're probably gonna cause a lot of chaos in your life, right?
So the goal typically when I'm working with a client is to notice that they're in a shadow frequency, first of all, and then see, like now let's look at the gift frequency. What is this same gift in the shadow becoming the gift frequency, right? So we're gonna see both sides of that. And then the way to transmute that, a lot of people think that like, I just gotta try better. I gotta try better and be better so I can be in the gift frequency, you know?
And that actually is just gonna delay your progress, in my opinion. The way to actually move from shadow to gift frequency is to actually love and embrace your shadow. And so, which is when you really study shadow work without even human design, like that's what shadow work is. Shadow work is embracing your demons, it's embracing your dark sides, it's finding space and ways to love them, right? Which goes back to what...
Janice Carol (52:46.008)
what I talked about earlier, right? If you can meet everything that comes in your life with love and compassion, including your shadows, you and I know you and I have worked on this already, right? Where it's like, you find a shadow in yourself and people immediately feel shame and they're like, dang it. I suck at that so bad. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, first of all, the shadow is serving a purpose for you and we're gonna embrace it with love. And so if you can read your shadow sides and say,
actually I can see how this shadow really protected me in my life. You know, like I had some really hard stuff going on and this shadow showed up for me and kept me safe, did all these awesome things, right? And so we can be grateful for them first of all, and then embrace them and love them. And that's gonna be one key way to vibrate into your gift frequency. Another huge thing, anybody who's in a victim mindset is automatically gonna be put in their shadow frequency. It's just how it functions. As...
divine creators on this earth. Like we have this inherent ability to create, to make our reality, right? Anytime we put that power in someone else's hands, and that's when we become a victim. If we're a victim of anything, we've just put our power in somebody else's hands. Now that's going to be an area that you're not going to vibrate higher. You're not going to have capacity to grow and change, right? You're not going to be able to get like a frequency there, right? So anytime you can see something and take
full accountability, even if it seems completely out of your hands, that's going to be another quantum leap into GIF frequency as well.
What's one gene key that really rocked your world when you were working on your own design?
Janice Carol (54:27.342)
Oh, goodness. Well, this is one that I share a lot is, um, gene key number 26, which the, um, the shadow side is pride. And, um, in the gift frequency, it's called artfulness and, and, um, and it's my life's purpose. And obviously I think in the shadow side, pride is, is a pretty good word for it. I don't think it needs much more explanation, but in the gift frequency, it's called artfulness in the sense that like,
I can make things look good. I like to get attention. I like limelight. I like all of these. I like to take something and make it pretty so that someone else will buy into it. And that sounds like a very manipulative thing, but in the gift frequency, it's actually this very beautiful thing because what if I'm getting someone to buy into something that's gonna be good for them? So with the shadow frequency, I'm gonna use the same quality for my own ego.
I'm going to say, need to manipulate course or whatever other people so that I'm safe, right? But if I'm vibrating into the gift frequency, I'm going to use that same talent and sell someone to something or sell something to someone, right? And, it's going to be for their benefit. It's going to be good because I'm coming into a place of love, right? When I first read that Gene Key and like loving attention and loving to sell things and loving marketing, I was like, that is not.
me. No, no, no, no, no. I will, in fact, I'm going to go sit in the back here and not, not get attention and like stay really modest. And like, it was not, it was not part of me, but when I was doing my certification course, I was really challenged because, and this is another tidbit in gene keys that can be really helpful for anybody. If you're feeling out of alignment, at all, you can actually focus on your life's purpose and the way that the halogenetic profile works is it will
unlock gene keys going up, literally in alignment. So anytime you're feeling out of alignment, you start with your purpose. And so I was feeling out of alignment and I was like, okay, well, I'll go to my purpose. And it was this gene key about wanting attention. And I had so much resistance that I was like, I was like, no, I don't want attention. Like I don't need people to look at me or focus on me or whatever, right? When I really challenged myself, I finally was like, you know what? What if this was true for me?
Janice Carol (56:48.726)
And what if that was okay? What if I loved it when I was in the line in life and people were praising me and loving on me and saying I did a beautiful job and I'm great. Like what if I let myself be okay with that? And it was like, as I alchemized that, as I started to embrace it with love, like that's when I have the biggest success is when I really embraced this side of me. And it's been huge for me.
Wow, wow. Well, and that kind of then leads me into the whole thought process of how our design, Genki's or human design or both, how our design really can reflect on the outside, really can reflect what maybe may look like some kind of condition that you're trying to work with, work through, manage, shift, right?
be it anxiety, depression, we have a lot of neurodivergence here. So ADHD, autism, all DHD, know, that combination of both. I'm really curious, have you seen in your work or even in any of your studying some kind of correlation or link between the human design and let's talk specifically about ADHD, anxiety, those pieces.
Yeah. So I do need to just like put a disclaimer out that I'm not a neurodivergent expert. But in my personal experience, a lot of people want to say that like, well, maybe there's a specific energy type that's more prone to this or not. I personally don't believe that. I don't think that there's a specific energy type or gift that's prone to it. I think it's even more basic than that, Tansy. It's so basic.
very foundation of human design and gene keys is that everybody has an inner genius. Everybody is a genius. They have their own inner genius and they should be allowed to pursue that, right? But we don't live in a world that allows people to pursue their inner genius. We live in a world that says, here's the path. This is the thing you need to study. And you might have some wiggle room in that, but for the most part, there's one path. I mean, look at a big thing for me.
Janice Carol (59:04.15)
is like the public school system. And I'm not downplaying, like education is a very beautiful thing. But when you take a group of children and you say, there's one way to do this, sit down and learn it, like they cannot activate their genius. so, and that's a very passionate topic for me specifically. So like I mentioned, I have three kids and my oldest one.
She's a very, very creative child, very creative. She has so much burst and creative energy. Like I don't even know how to keep up with it, honestly. And she went to preschool for two years and she did great, loved it. And I was a little bit worried, but her preschool teacher was like, no, she'll do great in kindergarten. She'll be awesome. I sent her to kindergarten and within a month she turned dark. Like it was like her light had turned off. She just hated things. She started getting violent, right? I actually know now later,
I didn't know this at the time, but in her chart, her two top gifts are the most primal violent gifts in the entire genome. And so when she went to school and was told, you have to sit down, you have to do this thing, you're not doing it fast enough, you're not good enough. Everyone else is getting it done faster than you, right? Like, can you imagine how she felt about herself and how quickly her light shut off and how quickly her genius disappeared, right? And then,
the shadow sides of all these beautiful gifts because those violin shadows are actually very dynamic, creative, passionate gifts. But in the shadow side of it, they turn very primal and destructive because they're so passionate. And so I was seeing this beautiful creative energy that she had had for the first five years of her life flick on its tail.
within a matter of weeks. And I'm not even joking when I say that she was in kindergarten for six weeks and I pulled her out because it was just too much. And so my children actually attend a very radical education where they get to pursue whatever they want to pursue and we don't force things on them. And that's a very different viewpoint. if you connect that to ADHD and autism and neurodivergence,
Janice Carol (01:01:23.49)
How much of that is people not being allowed to pursue their genius? their body and their brains are fighting back. And we're saying, this isn't okay. This isn't okay. We want to be able to pursue our genius and you're not letting us and we're fighting back.
Hmm. Yeah. So where do we find the Energenius on the chart?
I mean, you can start with your activation sequence, right? And that would be like your life's work and your evolution and your radiance and your purpose. So those are gonna be your activation sequence in Gene Keys on human design. That would be your, both your conscious and unconscious sun and earth signs, which is gonna create your incarnation cross. So that would be an area to focus, but I think it even just goes, it goes beyond that, right? Cause I can tell people,
I could tell somebody what their gifts are. I could say, well, on paper, this is what your inner genius says, right? But it also is your choice what that looks like, what that feels like, what that tastes like, you know? And for somebody, it's not gonna work if I sit somebody down and say, this is your top gift, this is how you do it, this is the way that you need to do it, or whatever, you you should have been doing it last year, in fact, right?
and give them a list, right? know, like, I feel like you're always asking me for a list.
Tansy Rodgers (01:02:45.602)
Because I am. Because I'm a Virgo, and I like lists and to-do lists. Yes.
The beauty of it, the beauty of it really, the beauty of discovering your own inner genius is nobody tells you how to do it. Like you get to figure it out, you get to decide what lights you up, you get to decide what you're gonna be an expert in. And the reason it doesn't work when somebody else tells you is because it's not coming from you, right? And so before I even tell it, I could tell somebody what the chart says is their top gift, but if they don't even have
permission to allow that, like we gotta work on that first, right? First of all, you are allowed to have an inner genius that's different from anybody else and that is fucking beautiful, right? Like don't ever sell yourself short.
which really comes down to this whole concept of deconditioning, right? There's this idea about deconditioning and really stepping out of these societal standards and norms. And I feel like that concept of deconditioning is very big in human design. What are the biggest illusions or conditioned beliefs that you see people shedding when they truly embrace their design?
I mean, it's different for every energy type, right? Like what your deconditioning is going to be different depending on your energy type and what chakras are highlighted, what gifts are highlighted, right? And so that's why if you're really getting into deep stuff, it's helpful to work with a coach because I can look at what specifically is in your chart. Like I can't, I can't say, you know, specifically, well, this is a blanket statement for everybody. I mean, a blanket statement, I think first of all would be manifesting, manifestors and
Janice Carol (01:04:32.75)
projectors and reflectors were not designed for the nine to five. That's almost like, I just feel like we all need permission because we're just too fucking tired. And it doesn't mean that you that I can't do it. I have worked nine to five jobs. In fact, I've worked longer than that, but I can't sustain that over a lifetime. That's not going to be healthy for my body. Right. So that's one thing I might say as a blanket statement. But
I've seen so much like a specific thing that I've seen, for example, is like, like I have a close friend who's a manifester and he'd been living like a projector. He'd been waiting for invitations that just weren't coming because he had a closed aura. And, and he has now through some coaching started to embrace that manifest or initiating energy where he's going out. He is doing that push, you know, and
It's been crazy to see what's happening for him. Things that like, like he doesn't, he doesn't currently have employment. He's living off of savings. So this is just an example. He's, living off of savings. He doesn't have income, but he wants to flip homes. Like that's a passion of his, right? Now who's going to lend him money to flip a home when he doesn't have income. Okay. Right. Like we, literally, we could write this down and be like, this is not possible. It's not going to happen. Guess what? He's under contract to buy his first house that he's flipping with a private lender.
And he was not the only offer on this property and he wasn't even the best offer on this property. But somehow, because he stepped into alignment as a manifestor, when he reached out and he pushed and he initiated, he's under contract on a property, he has a private lender and he doesn't even have a job. And it's like the whole thing, just like you can't make this stuff up. And that's just what I mean by the universe supports you.
when you step into your radical, I'm like, that is a radical choice. That's a radical thing for him to do. And I fully expect magic to happen for him. It's gonna be so exciting.
Tansy Rodgers (01:06:41.45)
Wow. Well, okay. And so that leads me to that whole concept of how do you know, how do you know the difference between a soul's yes, like where you're living in that design, like for him, for example, that he's a manifesto, he's designed to initiate, he's living in that design versus the Eagles old programming of just push, just get out there, just do it.
How do you, I mean, that's just an example with him since we were talking about that, how do you know that difference?
Well, and that kind of goes back to getting out of your head and getting back in your body, right? Like the body is what's going to be communicating to you. And for me, I've noticed, like, cause that's a very like foundational concept for me that I've been like doing for years, but I've noticed that I like will say that to people like, well, what did your body say? And they look at me like, what are you talking about Janice? But find ways to get in your body and listen to your body. Your body knows everything.
It knows more than your brain does. It knows what you're supposed to be doing, what direction you're meant to go. If it's a yes or no, who to talk to. Like your body knows all of those answers. Now, and that's another thing that human design is gonna help you with, is that depending on what's highlighted in your chart, there's gonna be a specific area of your body that we're gonna wanna get answers from. And then we can have specific techniques of how to listen better to that part of your body, right? And so,
If you're stuck in your head and you're listening to this mental loop, that's not going to be a way for you to get answers. It's like, what is your vibrational being inside your body tell you to do?
Tansy Rodgers (01:08:22.381)
Hmm. And so can I share with mine? Of course. The sacral, that sacral chakra. when I learn, I'm a generator and my inner yes is my sacral. I've learned that when my gut, when that proverbial gut intuition, right? When my gut says or feels light, expansive, open, there might be butterflies sometimes, but it feels light.
That is automatically a yes, especially when it happens just like that, when it is that instant information. However, I've learned that little gut signaling that when it feels like a drop, when it feels heavy, when it feels like I have a rock in my stomach, when I feel dread kind of wash over me, that is, that it, and I'm not talking about the,
extended feeling because that's where thoughts start to get. I'm talking about the instantaneous reaction that I get to a situation. That is my soul saying, nope, not for you. And I'll tell you what, Janice, the more that I had listened to that, the more that I stepped into listening to my sacral and just really being with that. The more guided, the more supported, the more aligned.
I have really felt in my entire life, not just in my work, but in my personal life and how I get navigated.
Yeah. Yeah. And I actually have, there's a really good example that I love, that I heard on another podcast of the sacral in its, in its prime, right? so one of the things that sometimes will trip up a generator or any sacral authority, right? Is that, they think that the sacral just says yes to things it wants to do and no to things it doesn't want to do. Right. We don't give ourselves permission for that.
Janice Carol (01:10:24.238)
to be enough information. So for example, this is an example that I heard on podcast. So there was this woman who she was a manifesting generator, sacral authority. She had had multiple different careers throughout her life, which makes sense because manifesting generators are multi-passionate and that's what they're designed to do, right? And she had already shifted careers two or three times and she was into this like very musical. I think she was a DJ.
musical artist and she was really diving deep into that and having so much fun with it. And she was right on like, the precipice of like really going somewhere big with it. She had this like incredible concert with this, with this other artists and things were going to get big for her. And she finished that concert and, she even received an invitation to like, to, don't know if it was to go on tour or something. And she tells the story and she says, when I came back home and my sacred was so tired, said, uh-uh.
No more, we're done. And she was just like, what? Like it did not make any sense to her of this thing that she was really passionate about and was obviously going somewhere. And her Stake girl said, no. So we're done doing this. And guess what? She listened to her Stake girl and it was like within months COVID hit. And the music industry hit hard, right? And she was like, if I had forced my Stake girl to say, well, no,
We're going big places with this. We're gonna make good money. We're gonna have success, right? And force her sacral like she would have hit failure, right? With what was happening in the world. And so listening to that sacral goes beyond just does it light me up or doesn't light me up? And this is what I mean when I say your body knows. It knows more than just what you want or don't want. It knows things that you don't even have capacity to understand.
Wow, that is incredible. That's incredible, especially when you can look back and you can see those patterns and how things have situated over your life and how they played out when you really listened to that inner wisdom. Yeah.
Janice Carol (01:12:34.218)
And I have same examples of following my authority of like miracles happening for me. That you couldn't go back and be like, I mean, I remember the last house that I bought, like with over budget, couldn't afford it. I was gonna tear the whole thing apart and remodel it. like everybody in my life was like, why are you doing this? Like you're gonna go bankrupt and it makes no sense. But my authority was like, no, we're doing this. Like this is happening.
And this was also right before COVID and what ended up happening specifically in the area that I lived in, first of all, real estate values skyrocketed even more than the normal nation did. And it was insane. And I didn't sell my other property. So I had two properties during COVID in the same area that values skyrocketed. I held onto my one property for an extra year and made an extra $60,000 on it just because I held onto it for one more year.
And I was renting it during that time. So not only was the mortgage getting paid on it, it was also paying for half my mortgage on the new property because rent had gone up when I had bought it. So all of these things where someone's like, you're going to go bankrupt, like you're stretching yourself financially, like this is not a smart decision. Everything on paper, every Dave Ramsey book you could ever read would say, don't do this. And I knew all of them because I was a big Dave Ramsey person.
but my body and my authority were saying you need to do this. So I did it. Guess what? I made $200,000 on each of my properties when I sold them. Like you cannot make this shit up.
That is incredible. If the listener is sitting there thinking, okay, I'm really interested, where do I even start? What would be your first tip of advice of how to even get the ball rolling and to move forward? Like what to pay attention to?
Janice Carol (01:14:31.416)
Well, like kind of going back to your energy type, like learn your energy type, learn how your aura functions. You're going to build your strategy off that and noticing your sign and you're not self-themed, right? Those are your cues of if you're in alignment or not. Honestly, like I want to say you could dive into more information, but really there's just an amount of bravery and courage that you just, it needs to come with it. And so I actually encourage a lot of my clients to work on nervous system regulation.
because it's one thing to know how you're designed to function. And it's a completely other thing to actually be brave enough to do it. And yes, your body knows the answer, but your nervous system only knows what it knows. And so if you're trying to expand into a higher frequency and your nervous system is like, we don't know that frequency. We don't wanna go to that frequency. We don't know what's there. That's scary. You are gonna meet nervous system resistance.
That's not energetic resistance in the sense of being in flow. That's your nervous system needing to expand and get on board. And so there are tools and techniques for that as well. So if you know your design, if you know the basics and you're still having a hard time stepping into alignment, we'd need to work on getting your body feeling safe so that you can expand into that.
Well, before we really dive into how people can get into your circle, because part two of that would really be working with a coach, right? Like yourself, right? Yeah. But before we get into that, I didn't prepare you for this part.
dear, like one pound skinny.
Tansy Rodgers (01:16:08.206)
No, it's not. It's not going to be painful. It's fun. It's fun. We're going to do some rapid fire questions, just three of them. Just rapid fire questions, fun little rapid fire questions just to get into the inner workings of Janice's brain and how she feels with some of this work. OK? All right. OK. Are you ready? OK. I'm here. I'm here. All right. Question number one. What is one gene key or human design truth?
I'm here for it.
Tansy Rodgers (01:16:36.962)
that you wish everyone knew.
Janice Carol (01:16:42.318)
Just that we're all different. We're all different. Like I grew up my whole life thinking that there was like a correct way to do something and giving ourselves permission to say what works for one person is not gonna work for somebody else. And that in fact is a beautiful thing. It's not a bad thing. It's beautiful that we all function differently and the diversity that comes with that is just amazing.
Beautiful. All right, number two. What is a shadow that you befriended that turned out to be your greatest gift?
I've mentioned Genki26 already. goodness. I have so many. I have so many Genki's that I work on. Probably the biggest life changing is my evolution sphere, which is the gift of grace and the shadow side is dishonor. Now, and dishonor really has hit home with me multiple times in my life because
of my strict religious upbringing that said, if you don't choose this, you are literally going to hell when you die. And to face that type of dishonor, like I remember when I walked away from religion, I was so conditioned mentally. I didn't know if I was gonna go to hell or not. Like I really still believed it mentally.
and to fully embrace that and to say, well, I might be going to hell when I'm still choosing this, right? So when I embrace that dishonor of that shadow side, it's incredible the grace that I've been able to receive in the gift frequency. then, and I think that's one of actually one of my greatest gifts that I give back to people is I give them that grace and I give them permission to say, you get to be who you are.
Janice Carol (01:18:46.604)
just as you are. And there's no dishonor in that. There's no shame in that. Your soul is beautiful just as it is. And that's one of my favorite gifts in my chart.
I love that. All right, and finally, number three, finish this sentence. Living my design feels like.
Magic. Easy one. Feels like magic.
And because magic is one of your words too. I remember you saying that before.
Yeah, magic. Yeah, magic is my, it's my attraction sphere. Yeah. Yeah. And my gene cage. Yeah. So magic is big for me, which is why, right? Why I go back to like people, some people, it actually is in their chart to debate the science. Actually meant to be investigators of information and data and explore that and think about it. That's within their chart and that's good and healthy for them. And it serves the collective.
Janice Carol (01:19:43.064)
That's not part of my chart. My part of my chart is to believe in magic. So when anyone tries to debate me about the science, I'm like, you can go do that and serve the collective in your way, and I'm gonna believe in magic and serve the collective in my way.
Come on.
Tansy Rodgers (01:20:00.13)
Janice, this has been an incredible conversation. I love that you really just became vulnerable and opened up so much depth outside of just the statistics and the facts about what human design is. That's where all the good stuff lies. I love it. How can people find you? How can they get into your world? And what are you most excited about in your work right now?
So they can go to my website, janicecarolcoaching.com and they can email me, which is janicecarolcoaching at gmail.com. I don't have any social media pages. I'm pretty chill about the business right now, but you can go to my website or email me and get in contact with me. I do individual reading. So if you just want a one-time reading to go over your try, I can give you all the basics.
And then I do ongoing coaching for clients. And then what I'm most excited about right now is I'm actually doing a divine feminine retreat in October. And we're really going to be diving into the shadow work and embracing this feminine side of us because that's, and really that is a huge key in human design too, right? It's because all of our open centers are where our feminine energy lives. When we're currently
We're currently in this transition in society where we're moving from a patriarchal system which honored all of these masculine qualities and transitioning not to a place where it says that feminine is more important, but that actually it's that the masculine is designed to serve the feminine. And when we operate from that space of the space of receiving and of being, that's when we're going to transcend patriarchy. And that's when we're going to step into our actual creative power as divine beings. And so this retreat is going to
We're going to do all of that and I'm just really excited about it and do that work with people.
Tansy Rodgers (01:21:48.174)
As always, all of those links will be down in the show notes so that you can dive in and connect with Janice in any way that feels aligned. Do you have any last words that you'd like to lay on the hearts of the listeners for today before we sign off?
I love one of my disclaimers that I have been seeing with workshops that I do is that when you talk human design, we talk about labels, right? We're gonna put a label and a word to everything that we're describing in human design. And I have noticed that I've seen a tendency of people to put these labels on themselves and then limit themselves to a label. And I...
That is not the purpose of human design for me. If there's anything about human design that feels limiting for you, that doesn't serve you and that's not okay, right? Human design is about putting on a label on you just so that you can understand it, but it's all about expansion and stepping into freedom. So if it's put a cage around your energy, don't do it. Like if human design feels like a cage, it's not for you, don't do it. Like I'm not saying this is for everybody, but if it's gonna open you up,
into expansion, into freedom, like that's a beautiful thing.
Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing your passion and your wisdom and your heart and your knowledge. Thank you for everything that you're doing for society with bringing human design into more of an awareness. I appreciate you.
Janice Carol (01:23:20.398)
Of I'm happy to do it. I love it. Thank you for having me.
Okay, let's just take a moment here and notice how you feel in your body after that one. Did something she said about shadow work hit a nerve? Did her story about redefining God and becoming your own goddess crack something open within you? Or maybe the human design piece finally made sense in a way that didn't feel like just another self-help homework assignment.
If this episode stirred something up for you, I really want to invite you not to rush past it. Jot down one line that stood out or one place you felt that your body said, yes, that right there. Because that's usually where your next aligned move is hiding. Remember, you can...
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