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Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name's Tansy and I'm an intuitive crystal reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It's time to talk all things energy. Let's dive in. What if younger
every year wasn't clickbait, but actually design. Today on The Energy Fix, we're getting wild and wise with Dr. Kavin Mistry, a board-certified neuro-radiologist who created Primal Health Design. He blends MRI-level science with ancestral wisdom that he's learned growing up in Africa. Think the Hadza tribe common sense mentality meets modern medicine.
and it turns into this beautiful lifestyle that you can actually live. In this conversation, we're going to bust the myth that longevity just means having more years. You're gonna hear what reversing biological age actually is and how it's different from simply just living longer. You're gonna also hear about the seven key paradigms inside primal health designs and exactly how to start applying them today.
We're going to talk about how you can design your day like a true craftsman by doing it on purpose so that your brain, your energy, your mood all say, yes, please give me more. I want more of this.
And if you stay till the end, you're going to hear Dr. Kavin really dropping all of the practical pieces that he finds so important to create daily habits that actually move the needle the most when it comes to aging in real life. Plus, he's going to be gifting you his morning routine PDF. And if you drop down into the show notes, you can grab that link. And just a real quick
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pulse check for my local fam that's hanging out here and that comes out to the events. I've got mini energy and crystal healing sessions on Thursday, October 23rd at Reiki by Ricky's. And yes, I can do them virtually if travels a no for you. Then I'll be at the Market of Magic at the Lebanon Expo Center on October 25th and the 26th from 10 to 6 PM.
And I will be at the Hershey Gem Jewelry and Rock Show at Historic Acres of Hershey from 10 to 4 p.m. Okay, let's get into this. If your body is craving clarity, your soul wants a plan, then this one is your sacred yes. Take a deep breath. Let's get younger by design. Here's Dr. Kavin Mystery. Let's dive in.
Welcome to the Energy Fix Podcast. Kavin, thank you so much for being here today.
Pleasure, Denzy.
You know, when I was reached out to have you on the podcast, the first thing that came to me that was so exciting, I saw ancient wisdom, health, ancient wisdom and health. And I thought, this is beautiful. This is exactly the kind of conversations I love to have because this work that we do to keep our physical vessel, our mind, our emotions balanced,
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It spans across time and it really is influenced by our generations and our ancestors. And so we're going to be diving all into that today. However, I want to know just where you're at right now. We're going to be talking about the past. Let's talk about the present and the future. Where are you at right now in regards to this season of your life? Is there a word or a phrase that you're really embodying, that you're connecting to right now?
Tansi, that's a great question. If I could encapsulate it all into one word, it would be reconnecting. And I believe that from my perspective as a physician, as nice as modern life is, and with all the conveniences and social media and all the technology,
What I do see is it is disconnecting us from who we are and who we were designed to be. so part of my journey and every day to me becomes a journey to reconnect and to reconnect with our primal self. So, and that's what we'll talk about.
And you're so spot on with that. You know, I love technology and I love the conveniences that we have. But I also, you know, I'm a child of the 80s and the 90s. And honestly, to know both worlds is so magnificent. And I'm just curious, how have you been really staying with that reconnecting?
when it's easy to get disconnected in the world that we currently live in now.
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It is challenging, I would say. that's a very broad question, okay? And in my book, Primal Health Design, what I talk about is our seven different connections that we over time have lost and how to reclaim those and integrate that into our life. On a personal level, if I were to say how I am reconnecting.
And one of the things that has truly transformed the quality of my life, I can say, is that we tend to go by the cycles of what society expects from us. know, let's say we have a dinner date at 8 p.m., lunchtime is at set time, know, breakfast is at 8 a.m.
And when you really dive into how our body was designed, let's just take sort of meal times, for example. And I was having this conversation earlier with another practitioner that our body will primarily is designed to rise and rest with the sun. And if we look at everything in our body in terms of
hormone secretion that happens in terms of digestive juices that are secreted for food, all the way from the detox that happens in our brain and our body and everything like that. It's on a specific cycle that is in sync with that circadian rhythm. And so if you go back to ancient teachings,
and you go back to even primal living where people, they didn't even have teachings, they just kind of intuitively knew. If you saw that, people had very little food early part of the day, but they would have a very heavy meal at around noon time, and then would have a very light meal sort of at the trail end of the day if they needed to. And that was very specific. this is actually also, if you look at,
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Eastern cultures right now, in India, in lot of the Asian countries, they will have a very complete meal at noon time, but then rest of their meals are very, very light because our body just naturally is primed to have the highest level of digestion and everything right at around where the sun peaks at around noon time.
and then less so on the trail ends. And it's so important because that if we go by the way society functions, we would love to have that 8 p.m. dinner reservation and have that Italian dinner. And I'm all for that. I love that and having that. But if that becomes a pattern, if that becomes the norm,
in the long run, what you find is that your body is not designed for that. It's not designed to have a full meal at 8 p.m. And so what happens is when you start behaving the way society expects you to, you don't digest the food well, which impacts how you sleep that night. the way you sleep that night impacts how you wake up at night, how your energy is the next morning. And then it just snowballs into this
this spiral where you're not optimizing your health. know, just from those disconnects to where our body was designed from a primal point of view.
Well, okay, so this is loaded question. How do you think that we got so turned around in our Western culture?
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I think it's a lot of many different factors, In modern society.
I mean, if let's say we were using the sun as our source of light, then well, then by sunset, you should be done with all your work and really you should be done by dinner by then because there is no light anymore to do anything, right? But now we have electricity, we have the ability to work late into the night, stay up late into the night and
But when you realize that these modern conveniences, as much as we feel like, this has been forever, electricity has been forever, it's in the grand scheme of things. When you look at the 200,000 year human history, electricity and having light at night is just a sliver. It's such a small portion of that, right?
So you're competing against genetics that are programmed for those 200,000 years. You introduce all these conveniences and all of a sudden now you say, okay, well, this is the norm, right? But your body is like, no, that's not the norm, you know? So, you know, it is convenient. I guess it's nice to have the lights on and in the evening and to be able to do work and whatnot. But I think that if we're mindful and
we pay respect to the way our body is designed. And I tell people, for example, around nine, 10 o'clock, there's a natural inclination within everyone's body, no matter how much you ignore it. Because there's a natural rise in melatonin and natural fall in cortisol around 9, 10 p.m. That if you don't respect that, your body will...
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you will power through it. But every day you do that, you're losing that natural kind of rhythm to fall asleep, you know? And I did this once, I did this webinar on sleep and I kind of went through this whole process of telling people about sleep and sleep cycles. I was mentioning this and I told everybody, don't know, we had like 300, 400 people on there and
And what I said was, said, I just within the next two weeks, just give me one day where you can be in bed at 9.30 PM. Just, said, just make it, make an appointment with yourself and just say at 9.30, I have an appointment to go to sleep and just put that on your calendar and just, just be in bed by 9.30. And if you do that, you will naturally, you'll see, you'll naturally fall asleep by before 10.
And I just want you to do that and just tell me how you feel the next day, you know? And so I put that out there and it was funny because this was like weeks later, then I get all this follow up from all these people. He goes, you you said to try that 930 thing and I did. And this woman goes, it was such a big difference. I woke up the next day, I like a whole new person, you know?
She's like, I never experienced true sleep until I did that. And what a simple thing. It's not like anything miraculous, right? It's just sort of listening to what the primal design is within us.
Yeah, and you know, I'll even add to that. I'm over here kind of chuckling to myself because I know like I try to do this pretty consistently that at 8 30 in the evening, I start my ritual and my ritual is, I grab my book, some tea, my cat, and I lay down and I just start to let my body really unwind. And I know there is a huge difference on those nights where I have to work later.
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or have a late appointment and I don't actually get to sit, even to sit down on the couch until like 9.30, 9.45. It is like, it's like pulling teeth to try to get my body to just relax and be in that peaceful place. feel like, like you said, I feel like I've missed my window. Huge difference. Now I may not be asleep by 9.30, but I at least,
I can see that difference of how much more peaceful, how much more my nervous system gets to calm when I give myself the opportunity to allow it to rest in the timeframe that it is designed to rest.
Absolutely, absolutely. I tell people that every day is going to be a little different. And like you said, you have those evenings where sometimes I have to attend events and we're there till like 10 p.m. But you have to apply sort of like the 80-20 rule. so I think
generally people have control over 80 % of the time, know, and say that, so I don't want, I don't want to design a pattern where I'm consistently going to bed at midnight for sure, you know, that would be wrong, right? So if I have that control, I'm going to try to push it where I'm trying to hit that timeframe, right? Like be in bed by 9.30, 10 o'clock. you know, knowing that there will be some nights, they'll be out of control, right? So,
But I think that if our baseline is aligned with our primal design, then I think we can really optimize health.
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Yeah. Well, Kavine, you're a neuro-radiologist who's learned timeless health from the hadsa and you grew up around fine woodworking. It's quite the trio. And so I would love to hear a little bit about what moment made you realize that those threads really belong together as primal health design.
What brought all that together to make this unique piece that you are now all encompassed in?
Tansi, that's a great question. you know, sometimes you need certain experiences to tie in all the dots in our life, you know. And when I started medicine and I went into radiology, one of the first things is that I saw that
the on my screen when I started seeing people's spines and bodies and all this degeneration, should see 30 and 40 year olds with degenerated spines. I said, wow, isn't that odd that these people have all this level of degeneration? So I would ask my seniors residents and I would say, why does this patient have so much degenerative disease? they would be like,
Just read the damn film, you know, like, like you just do your job and don't question. We don't we don't ask those questions. But that that stayed within me. said, isn't that why? Why aren't we asking these questions? Right. So I kind of put that it kind of planted a seed. said, you know, if given an opportunity, I'm going to ask this question, I'm going to raise this question. Why are we aging faster? Why is our body aging faster than our chronological age? Right. And.
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And I kept that and I kept that and I started researching about longevity. then I would say, and the reverse would happen, Tanze, one of the things would happen was I'd pull up a brain and I'd look at them. One of the things I do is I like to guess the patient's age by just looking at their body, right, or their body or their brain. And I'd sometimes pull up a brain, I'll say, okay, that person is 40.
And I look at the age and the person would be like 80. And I go, wow, I said, this guy is doing something right. And so I would look in the charts and I'd say, what are they doing to have a brain that biologically looks like a 40 year old brain? And these patterns begin to form. And then I used to see that, okay, so this is what they're doing. And maybe.
Or this is not what they're doing. You know, maybe they're not drinking. Maybe they gave up alcohol. Maybe, you know, all these things. And so I started making these these buckets. And eventually all those all those buckets, you know, transformed into seven piles. And those became the seven paradigms that I talk about in the book. One of the interesting thing was. Along the way, I started researching and I said, you I said, you know, let's look at
cultures where people don't have high level of chronic diseases, right? So because all these people that I was looking at on my screen had like, every time I look at their medical history, would have diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, they're on cholesterol medications and everything like that. And so I said, well, no, does everybody have chronic diseases? Are we just destined to have chronic diseases? Is there something we can do about it? You know, again, this is as a young doctor, I'm asking these questions, you know?
And then I started reading, said, well, why are people creating chronic diseases? Or are there cultures that are not creating chronic diseases? So that led me down this path where they said that there are certain tribes in Tanzania and other places that have very low incidence of chronic disease. I said, interesting. tribes in Tanzania? And I lived in Tanzania. So my childhood from age five to 10, my dad was with the United Nations.
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part of his work took us to Africa and so we lived there and I grew up there so part of my childhood was in Tanzania and he was with his project he used to go and into these spaces where there was these tribes and he since I was at that critical age where you pick up languages really quickly I picked up the local language which is Swahili really well so I was fluent in Swahili and so much so
that my parents used to use me as an interpreter with the locals there. What is interesting is the tribes, these Hadza tribes, they have their own dialect, which is called Hadzane. It's a click type language. you may have some people, know, people may have seen videos of these click languages that these Africans use. But interestingly, they can converse and understand Swahili. So I became a medium because
I knew Swahili really well. They could understand Swahili. My parents could understand my language. So I could talk to everybody. I could talk to the tribes guys. I could talk to the locals. I could talk to my parents. So it was beautiful. So I was like this, I was a medium where I could converse with everybody and learn from everybody. And so with the kids there, with the tribal kids, I would say, oh, I call this, this in my language. What do you call it in this? And then they would just teach me all these words in their language.
Beautiful. so the interesting thing was as I was digging into this research, and they said that certain tribes have very low incidence of chronic disease. And I dug deeper and I said, and they mentioned the name, the Hadza tribe. And I said, the Hadza tribe. And I said, what area is that? And I'm looking, look, Ling. And it's like Tanzania. I said, OK, I know I was in Tanzania. Then I'm like, we're in Tanzania. So then I'm looking on the map, you know, where these guys are. And it was.
the tribes that I hung out with. I never knew that these were the Hadza tribe. To me, they were just tribes, know, like these guys that I hung out with. So it was such a revelation. said, wow, the longevity research that is talking about the tribes, they're talking about the Hadza tribe that I was with. I said, these are my people, you know, or people I hung out with. And I said, if anybody, should...
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I should be giving some input on this because I was there living it, you know. And then I started making connections. I said, okay, so what did we eat? What were they eating? How were they behaving? And so that's where all these connections grew because then I said, that makes sense. That's why maybe they have low chronic diseases. And so then from all the longevity research and the science, I could tie it back into my own experiences as a child, you know. And
So it's been this journey and part of the journey was I come from a lineage of woodworkers. everybody in my family, they're all in design and architecture, woodworking. Everybody is in the design field. My wife, that's our painting behind me. She's an artist. Her whole family is our architects. Anyway, so is my family.
One of the things growing up in this kind of culture of design, right? And I didn't go in the design field, but that aspect of designing something meaningful and lasting was always within me, you know? And so the question became that here is I have all this information. I grew up with the hadza. I'd learned their kind of rituals. I knew kind of how they lived and how they were.
what they ate and how they slept. And then I knew that all these chronic diseases that we had in our culture, and I said, could we design rituals and practices to make that connect, right? Could we bring those practices, those primal practices to our modern life? And hence the book, Primal Health Design.
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add your person at the link in the show notes and let future you exhale. Well, let's stick on this biological age, the reversing of the biological age. feel like that gets thrown around so much, so much. But I also feel like a lot of people have a definition or it might have a stigma about what's
what it is in regards to how people interpret that. So in your language, what does reversing biological age actually mean? And how is it different from just living longer?
Sure, And so if we define the terms, so.
When we talk about longevity, talk about longevity is expanding or when we talk about lifespan, okay, it's basically extending the time of our years on earth, right? It's basically what we talk about in terms of our chronological age, right? And expanding that. That's one aspect. And I think for the longest time, everybody was focused on living longer.
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But I think the focus now is not that we're taking focus away from living longer and that piece is important, but we want to live longer, healthier, which means we want the lifespan with the health span, which means that we want health along with that lifespan, right? And so how do we make this happen or how does this come into play?
So give you an example. For example, we know that our heart at a certain age, the understanding we've had for many, years is you're born with a certain level of cardiovascular health, right? And then when you get into your 50s and 60s, your heart, you know,
is not as efficient as before. People start walking slower, they start avoiding steps, because mentally you know that your heart is just designed to get weaker, right? And that's been the old paradigm, right? However, it's interesting, one of these, lots of different studies, but one of the studies, they took 40, 50-year-olds, and
and started training there, giving them a training in terms of what is known as a Norwegian protocol. It's a four by four Norwegian protocol. Norwegian because the study that was done came from that area of the world, right? It was a European study and they called it the quote unquote Norwegian protocol. But it's nothing specific to them, but basically it's training your heart
three to four minutes at a very sort high, like, HIIT training, where you're in that zone five, that high heart rate training for three to four minutes. And then there is a rest period, and then you kind of do that for four cycles, you know, just to kind of encapsulate that concept for the listeners here. And interestingly, that when...
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And just doing this two times a week for two years, I mean, it's not a short period of time, but just doing two times a week for two years, they were able to bring the heart in terms of biological age. They were able to reverse the biological age of these participants by 10 to 15 years.
So you would have a 40 year old who would have a heart that is behaving like a 25 year old because the heart, when they put this right type of stress and right type of rest, the heart itself is so malleable, it's so pliable, it started changing and it started accommodating that workload and because you removed that paradigm that, no, my heart is supposed to get weaker.
they actually reversed the heart age, but not by a few years, by 10 to 15, in some cases to 20 years, which to me is phenomenal when you think of it, and you think of that model, if that's possible, okay? So if we get that message out there, that this is possible, that your body is so malleable, it's so pliable, this not only applies to heart, we apply it to our brain also.
And the same thing is possible in terms of neuroplasticity and what we're able to do with our brain. So in short, there is a lot of room in terms of actually reversing our biological age when we look at these separate parameters.
would you say that those seven key paradigms that you highlight in your book are a large part of what allows this shifting to happen, this reversing of that biological age?
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Yes, and there is a deeper layer to this Tansy and it's...
See, one part is when we focus on the physical aspect of life, and it's wonderful that we can reverse our cardiovascular age. We can make our brain younger by doing certain things in terms of neuroplasticity. And I talk about all of that in the book, okay? But what's interesting, Tenzi, is that when we started looking at...
other areas of our life that pertains to our biological age. when we, when you look at the studies from the blue zones, you know, if you, when you talk about the longevity and blue zones, everybody's familiar with that series and the research that came out of that. What they said was these, the, yes, all these things are possible in terms of reversing our biological age from the physical aspect.
But then there was the idea of our emotional health, mental health we talked about, but there's also this idea of emotional health and existential health that come into play. And what I mean by that is what we found is that when these cultures in Eastern cultures started having these support systems, right, in Japan and they,
have this concept of moai. I don't know if you're familiar with that term. Moai is a group of lifelong friends. So you create this group. And I saw that growing up in Tanzania with the Hadza, because they naturally had their own tribe, right? They were all interdependent on one another. A moai is a, I would say it's more than a group of friends, but it's a
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group that basically you grow old with and you support each other until your last day. And what they've found is that just having that framework, that having that tribe that supports you through thick and thin, no matter what situations you're going through, everybody has rough periods in their life. But having that, that
the level of mental disorders in these groups is extremely low. They don't have anxiety, they don't have depression, they don't have all these other things that we suffer from in many modernized countries. And versus, you know, people are not very low suicide rate, really zero suicide rate in that.
just because of that support structure. so beyond what we just talked about, about reversing the biological age, part of it, plays into this is that there is a emotional health component of it, which is just as important because we know that when people have chronic stress, either, and you look at United States, you look at European countries, and you look at one of the
biggest issue right now with social media and everything like that is loneliness. And it's an epidemic because people are lonely. They're infinitely connected, but yet lonely, right? Which is such a paradox that online you're connected to everybody, but within your own space, you're lonely because you really don't have a true connection, right? And so,
there's a lot to learn from these cultures because they are able to make that part of their life so vibrant and that have that such a high level of emotional health that they don't fall into these traps. And so I think those pieces are just as important as reversing cardiovascular age and neuronal age and all that.
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Yeah, Moai, that makes complete sense. It makes complete sense to lifelong friends. You know, as you were talking, I was writing some things down because so much was clicking. You know, your original word was reconnection. And it's all about connection. We as humans need to have connections. We need to interact with people as part of being.
healthy human beings. I find it there. The irony did not get lost on me that here in our Western culture, especially I will only speak for our Western culture because I live here, but here in our Western culture, you know, it's always pushed and almost held on a pedestal when you are that strong individual that doesn't need anybody else in your life that you can do it.
all by yourself. And don't let anybody tell you that you can. You don't need to have friends. You don't need to have a support system because you can do it by yourself. Right? I mean, like this is just so fascinating because it's something that I feel that we've gotten really far away from when in reality it is part of our life force.
It is. know, Tanzee, I mean, you raise a great point. You know, we sort of put those people on pedestals, you know, like people say, you need to be the lone wolf. need to do the grind and you need to be the the. However, you know, it was interesting when I was in college, I would say I read this one book. And it really stuck with me, you know, this this concept.
It was this book by Stephen Covey, it's Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. parts of the book are, the whole book is great, but there was this one, just one segment in the book. And it just stayed with me forever. And he goes, we're all born.
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dependent, right? You were dependent on your parents, then we're dependent on our teachers to tell us what to do. And then you get married, and maybe you're dependent on your spouse to tell you what to do, right? You know, all the husbands probably can relate to what I'm saying, right? And so, but, but, and then and then and then you you mature into being independent.
Right? Where you think, I can make my own decisions. I get to make my own brand. I'm going to have my own, you know, social status and do that. And but he said something and he goes, is that's good. But he goes, when you truly mature, you realize that real power is in interdependence. When you realize that really
it's in the tribe and the community that you create that that is your true power because you're and I think that I think people are realizing that now you know once they go through the fact that they are lonely and then they they know realize that they cannot do it alone I think people are coming full circle and realizing you know what I do need a community I do need to collaborate because you know
anything great you're going to do, if you're going to do something phenomenal, it's going to require a team of people, right? It just cannot be done by one person, you know? And even simple as like with publishing my book, just to do that, the amount of collaboration it requires from the publishing team to the...
editors to, know, in terms of, you know, website development and everything like that. It just requires so much collaboration to do anything like that and to, so I think that is true maturity when you learn to embrace the word interdependence.
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Yeah, I agree. You know, that was why I started this podcast. Not because I was lonely and I needed to have friends. That was not what I'm talking about. But I started this podcast because I knew that in the depth of my soul, in the depth of my heart, I wanted more of a message to be brought out into this world because people are thirsty for it. And also people want alternatives. People want other
options. They want something that's different than the narrative that they've been told over and over and over again, right? And so creating this community of practitioners and then of course listeners to move forward together and to expand and join hands. That's why this was created. It was created out of that desire to be able to join forces together. And I'll tell you, since doing this,
This podcast has been, and I say this all the time, but this podcast has been one of my greatest joys because I've seen people's lives literally changing because of certain guests that I've had on here. Information that I wasn't able to share because it's not my area of expertise, right? And so I love this because you're right, we can't do anything great without the forces of people like us.
or people like you listener, right? People like you coming together with other forces to move forward. And that could be either in your work, but it could also just be in your personal life, in your relationships that you're close to. I love that.
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I mean, make such a good point, Tanzee. And I would add one more layer to that, okay? That one part is maturing from dependent to independent to interdependent, right? Going through that spectrum.
And I thought it would end there and it was interesting. And I said that, okay, know, once I kind of build a team and I have a great team, I can tell you like around me on many different levels and meeting people, wonderful people like you.
But I lost my parents about three years ago. And I lost both of them in a short amount of time in a span of two years. And the last paradigm, paradigm seven, could not have come out. I could not have written that without that happening in my life. really, once that happened, was the only time I could really conceive the whole book because
It made sense, like lot of things made sense. it's sad that it required that event for that to happen. And I guess my only regret with everything is that my parents could never see me put out a book, because I think they would have enjoyed it and had the pride of seeing that come to fruition, because I always talked about it. But anyway, and so.
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And I thought that interdependence was the ultimate maturity. But it was interesting. So I went to visit my dad during his sort of like, he developed this form of incurable lymphoma and whatnot. And he kind of knew where things were going and everything like that. And so I'm visiting him in the hospital and he goes,
And goes, Kavin, you know, he goes, let me show you something. And he showed me this picture of the sailor. And I go, he goes, you know, do you know who that is? And I said, I don't know who that is. And he goes, let me tell you a story. And then he tells me the story that my dad wasn't a he wasn't like he was an engineer. He had a modest life. You it wasn't like, you know, super wealthy or anything like that.
But he showed me this picture of a sailor. goes, you know who that is? And I said, I don't know who that is. And he starts to tell me that he had this distant cousin in India who was disabled and was, after her parents died, the rest of the family had thrown her through the streets and she was almost more or less homeless. And she'd reached out to my dad many, years ago and said, like, listen, you know, I'm just, I'm just gonna, I'm homeless. I'm gonna just die out here.
you know, is there anything you can do to help me? And my dad just, don't know what, inside him something stirred and whatnot. He just gave her his word. He goes, you know, until I live, he goes, you'll never need to beg. And he goes, you can, can just tell me, you know, what, what you need for your kind of survival and then I'll make it happen. And so he supported her across countries for all these years, not, not letting us know. He wouldn't tell, he didn't, he said, I didn't never told you guys because I...
you guys may not let me do it and may see that I'm taking something away from my family to do this and all that. So because I just kind of made it happen. I just saved up money and say, you know, would send it occasionally. Anyway, so he supported this woman across the country. She was got her trained. She got a job. She found a person at work, got her married, had a son.
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sent him to school, provided education for him to school, and finally he became my sailor in the Navy, and that was the picture he was showing me. And then he said, and he goes, know, he goes, I'm not afraid of dying, you know, he goes, what I'm afraid of is that I won't be able to do this type of work anymore. And he goes, goes, this family, he's like, is taken care of because he's gonna be successful sailor, and now he's able to support the family.
But he kind of pulled me over and he goes, know, Kavin, your greatest gift is your ability to give. Because the fact that you can give means that you have something more than somebody else in front of you. And he goes, so your greatest gift is the ability to give. And as long as you give, that's your greatest gift. And you do not expect anything back in return. You just, you walk, you give and you walk away because
That's what you were designed to do. And honestly, Tanze, I felt I just slid on the floor and I said, man, you know, all these years I've been keeping score, you know, every time I do something, I'd be like, well, what did you do for me? know, like, what's in it for me? And what's my rate of return? What do I get out of it? And it was always like, you you always have these calculations in the back of your head. I said to myself, said, Kavin, did you...
ever truly give, where you just gave and you said, I just doing it for the sake of it. And that's when I said, you know what, we're going to make this book happen. And I'm to do it not because really it's like the for that kind of that prestige as an author or anything like that. But I said that I'm just going to give it because I just want this information out there because if people can
heal from this, if people can better themselves from this, let it be, you know what I'm saying? And then I will just make it happen. And that's my message. And I found that that's the ultimate level of maturity is that, yes, interdependence, but a level above that is when you realize at the end of the day, at the end of your life, how many people are better off because you live.
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And when you realize that statement, you will say, you know, and if your greatest gift is that you can give, then you just spend your time giving and not looking back. And I think that's what I've kind of committed to, you know, kind of going forward. And it's really changed how I live, totally.
Well, first off, I'm really sorry for the loss of your parents and that they couldn't be here to see that finished book. But I got to say, isn't it amazing? Isn't it beautiful that literally the finality of your book was a gift that they gave to you? A gift of knowledge that they gave for you to really just kind of lock in the end of that chapter and expand out say,
It all ties together. Here it is. How beautiful. Wow. Well, your framework, as you've mentioned a few times, your framework rests on seven key paradigms. And before we unpack them a little bit, I would love to know which one really tends to change people the fastest and which one quietly changes them the deepest. Like if you could pick one or two that really stand out.
Yeah. Wow.
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In your opinion, personally, what would you say that those are?
So I would say which one is most tangible for people? And paradigms one, two, and three, which is connection with earth, food, is more geared towards changing our physical body. And we talked a little bit about that, reversing cardiovascular age and everything like that. And I think that's good. And that's what essentially popular
culture is designed for, right? All the yoga classes and like, you know, getting fit and, know, kind doing cardio and everything like that. It's kind of all geared towards making our physical body or physical optimizing our physical health. And I think it's wonderful. I think I, I, all of that is great, but I think that the first paradigm that I feel that people will feel that something radically has changed in me.
is paradigm four, okay? And paradigm four I talk about is the mental health or making that mind-body connection. And here's what I mean by that. There's a section in that chapter, it's titled stillness versus illness. And what I talk about is that
If you look at any thought that you have right now, just look at, if you take an inventory of whatever you've been thinking, maybe in this past few minutes while you're talking to me, right? If you just kind of categorize those thoughts, right? They will fall into one of two buckets. One will be maybe some regret of the past. You're like, oh man, I should have done that. I forgot to do this or like that. Or some...
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anxiety of the future, right? Oh, I have to make sure I do this. I'm going to make sure I send them this. don't want to make sure I, you know, you understand what I'm saying? It is always some anxiety or some, some, something in the future that you're projecting or something you're recalling that you regret or like you're, kind of remembering. And so we always ping pong between regrets of the past and anxieties of the future and
What I tell people is like you wake up in the morning and here's this beautiful sunrise, right? And you open your phone and you look at this text message telling you, okay, today we've got this meeting at 2 p.m. or, you know, I can't believe she said that to me. You'll see all your texts, all your emails are going to pull you to your regrets of the past or anxieties of the future. And you miss the sunrise that's right in front of you.
and you miss the now, you know? And so between this past and the future, there is this little sliver of now, and that's the present, right? And we forget to be in this space. when, and what I feel that in this day and age, when I talk to people, I can tell within like 10 seconds if they're with me or not.
You know, and I'm sure you can too, right? Because you just need to look into people's eyes and you can tell if they're with you and they're present right now here with you. And we're losing that capacity, OK? And when you talk about one of the reconnections as we started this podcast with, you and I use the term reconnecting, it's reconnecting with that quality of being present in the now.
Right? If you look at when you were, if you were back in the African savanna and you want to have to hunt your food, right? You would be tracking that prey and you'd be, you'd be, you would be so zoned in to every little leaf moving, every little, little, little movement of that animal to try to track and hunt that animal down. You would be so much in the present.
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that we couldn't move you out of the present because you only know to be the present, right? You wouldn't be thinking about the yesterday or the tomorrow or everything like that. And so I dedicate this whole chapter of dropping people into the present, of reconnecting with that quality of being here and now. And I think when people experience that, when you can
when the first time people really can drop into being in the present moment, it's so transforming for people. And they were like, wow, that feels unbelievable because they're so trained to be here and here that that it's such a it's such a change for people to be in that space. And I feel like that's very transformative.
Yeah, and so you may address this in the book, but I'll just ask you this now. How do people start to practice being more present when we're living in a world that maybe is so chaotic and can really pull your attention away like that?
That's wonderful question, Tanzee, many different ways of approaching this, but one of the most simplest ways that I tell people. In the book, I talk about this practice, and it's a practice that is...
written in many Buddhist texts and whatnot. It's a very, simple practice. Nowadays we call it conscious breathing, but in the term that they're used in the texts, these ancient texts, is this term called Anapanasati yoga. Anapanas means in breath, out breath, sati means observing, right? Just being an observer. And yoga means union.
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What they were trying to say in that phrase is that because the breath is the only thing, is one of the things that can only be in the now. You cannot breathe in the yesterday. You cannot breathe in the tomorrow. It's now, right? Like when I'm watching my breath, I have to make my focus in the present moment, right? So when I can watch the in-breath and the out-breath, it automatically puts my focus in the now.
And so when we brought watch that in breath out breath and just be the observer of it without controlling it, it drops us in the now. And it's a practice which deepens on its own. And I tell people to start with few minutes of it. And and I lay out a little bit of a game plan in the book that people could follow. But you can see that once you can get to
10 minutes and 15 minutes. If you can get to 20 minutes and this is where science and neuroscience comes in. What we found in neuroscience and people must have heard the term flow. You've heard the term flow, right? And people say, how do you get into flow? Right? And flow is when you do something where you don't have to consciously do it. Now you're just doing it. It's when the tennis player
goes into this mode where he's not thinking, but he's just reacting and he's able to return the serves. It's when the ballet dancer goes into that mode where they're no longer thinking, their body is just moving. And very few people have experienced flow. And one of the ways you can actually experience a flow is when you build up this practice of Anupana Sati Yoga and this conscious breath watching.
from five, 10, 15 minutes. And if you can hit 20 minutes, what I've found for myself, and all the research in neuroscience says that when you hit that 20 minute mark, your brain all of a sudden, it figures out that now it's in this groove. It's on these railroad tracks and it's just gonna run on these railroad tracks. And now you don't have to force yourself to be in that present. All of a sudden you drop into that present. You feel that flow.
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And it's very transformative for people. And I have experienced it myself and people who've, you know, I've done guided meditations where people have felt a bit of it and they're like, wow, that just felt different. And so that's one of the techniques that works really well for people.
I feel like breathwork and the concept of breathwork and power behind breathwork has been such a reoccurring huge conversation in so many of my interviews lately. I mean, I don't know if people are just talking about it more or if it's meant that more people need to listen and it needs to be repeated over and over and over. But I couldn't agree more.
The breath is that one place that you can't not be present when you pay attention to it.
Absolutely. You know, it's the first thing you did and the last thing you'll do. So it's your silent partner, right? And so I think if you have that level of reverence for your breath, it can transform you. It's such a simple, simple thing, right?
I don't like to use the term meditation because meditation is so open to interpretation. when I say meditation, don't know how, you know, in Eastern culture, first of all, there's no such term as meditation because it means eight different things in Eastern culture. There are eight different levels of meditation. But when we say meditation here, most people don't know. Does that mean watching your breath? Does that mean sitting quiet, watching your thoughts? So I like to be more
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more directional for people and say, you know, just sit there, just observe your breath. Let's do that. Let's start there. Let's start with a few minutes. You know, let's see what happens. And tomorrow, maybe let's do five, right? And when you build that wiring to observe, right, things start changing.
Yeah. Well, we're talking about presence, but I also want to talk about design-led living. I mean, you talk about shifting from reactive medicine to design-led living. And I would love first of all for you to talk about what that is. But also if we were to design a day that makes us younger, what are the non-negotiable inputs that you would like to place anchors in? Like they need to be part of this.
in order for you to really be able to reverse either the biological age or just your perception of how old you are.
Absolutely. That's a wonderful segue, I guess, in terms of...
describing, you're asking how to be an architect of your day that's designed to reverse your biological age, right? Yeah, yeah. And so in terms of non-negotiables, and there are many, you in the book, I give many different practices and at each after each paradigm, I give a lot of takeaways that people can can do. And in fact, one of the things that happened was after the book,
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I was asked to design a course which we just finished, which is more of like a one-on-one session where people can, I kind of guide people through a 21 day transformation. And it's kind of like almost like one-on-one coaching with me. it's like having a conversation with me and diving deeper into all of this. But let's stick to the non-negotiables, right?
Couple of things we already touched upon and that when you wake up, your body needs to know that it is awake and that it is daytime, right? That getting sun exposure within first 30 minutes of your day, at least for 10 to 15 minutes, it should be a non-negotiable because that sets your circadian rhythm.
and sets your whole sort of domino effect for the rest of the day in terms of hormone cycle, digestion, everything else that's gonna happen in the rest of your day, it's all gonna domino from that initial stimulus of that sunlight input, right? So getting sun in the morning. If possible, I would say in my case, I'm...
in an area where I can step out and step onto ground, okay, at least having some contact with the ground if it's possible. And one of the things we're starting to understand is that there is just unbelievable amount of communication that happens between your body and the ground. we're just trying understanding and wrapping our heads around all the...
communication that happens between our microbes and the microbes in the soil and kind of like the electrochemical communication that's happening and everything like that. And without getting too much deep into that, if that's possible for people, that is great. And you could combine that with sunlight exposure, maybe step out into the grass and get some sun and do that. The third thing I would say is that
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We want to engage one of the aspects of having that vitality within our system, okay, comes from our primal alignment of our body, okay? And what modern society has done is that, you if you look at the way we sit in front of a computer, let's say, you know, I'm in front of a laptop now.
automatically my shoulders are going to roll in because I have to be like this, right? So this counterbalance of bringing my shoulders back and down, right? That's one thing. And one of the best things I tell people that you can, the way you can do that is if people can incorporate a 30 second hang in the morning, what they'll do,
a 30 second hang, which is nothing, right? 30 seconds is nothing really. What it will do is it will activate your whole poster, your chain. OK? And what it does once you activate that slowly, what you'll do is those muscles as they activate will naturally when you are not thinking and your tendencies to roll your shoulders forward, when you're not thinking, when those muscles are activated, they will actually pull your shoulders back and keep that
more of a primal posture. Okay. And it's so healthy for kind of just the transmission of nerve signaling and everything like that to have that posture and not have not have back pain, you know, in the long run. Right. So that's that's what I find that just that 30 second hang, it just changes people, you know, and for lower back pain. If you're in shape and you're able to drop down to a complete squat.
Okay, and I'm talking a resting squat where you squat down and you can just have a conversation there. Okay. If we were on a, if we were face to face somewhere, I would demonstrate it for you, you know, but, and when I do my talks, I will just sit there. I can sit in a squat and do a whole speech if I had to, you know, I have no issues with that because it's so...
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I just grew up with that, you know, in Tanzania with the tribes and, know, it was such a resting posture for people. They would just sit around and talk to each other in a squat position. And it was such a primal. You look at little babies, they're just sit, they sit there in a squat and they'll like just like play, play with stuff. Right. But how come we can't do it anymore? But when you squat at that level, your your sacrum is pulled down and it naturally lengthens your lumbar spine. And when your lumbar spine is lengthened,
All those issues with back pain, SI joint alignment, like pelvic tilt and everything that people talk about as a source of low back pain, all of that starts dissolving over time when you can just do that something in the morning. to me, are my non-negotiable routines where I'll do a 30 second hang, I will do a day squat in the morning, okay? And I do have a...
breath watching practice, which I do. over the years, I've trained myself to get to that. I do a 21 minute practice because I want I want to hit that 20 minute mark and have one minute more just to make sure, you know. And and I I said, I don't know, I haven't experienced. But what happens is when I hit that, it puts me in that in that state. Right. Now, when I start my day, Tansy, I can tell you
I start my day non-reactive and I start my day proactive. So when Guy cuts me off on the road, I have that space, I have that gap that I can decide, am I gonna get angry? I'm gonna let that go and just keep my joy, you know? And before, it used to arc me. The road rage.
know, Kavin used to come out and be like, you cut me off. But now there's this space where I'm just like, Kavin, it's not worth it. You are going to lose your joy because somebody cut you off? I'm like, no, OK, let's focus on the bigger things. And it gives me that space. And it comes from that, I think, that morning breath practice. so from a physical
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point of view, would say those are those are a few tips I think people can incorporate every day. Those are non-negotiables and for me, and I think it can be a non-negotiable, it's easy non-negotiables for everybody, okay? The other paradigms, I think, areas that are more personal in some sense that is going to be more unique for people, right? And I think those will...
create 10x results for everybody, but it's going to be some more deeper work that people will need to do to get to those levels.
Yeah. okay. So a few questions on your non-negotiables. So first off, do you know what I mean by a yogi squat in yoga? The pose is called a yogi squat. Do know what I'm talking about? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. So I'm bringing that up because I'm curious, is that what you mean by the squatting? Like that yogi squat pose that's in yoga?
Yeah, so I mean, the yogi squat, you're talking about like that squat where you're... So all the way down, but no matter how your hand position is or whatnot, the main thing is it's a restful squat position. It's kind of like what they call in the weightlifting is like the AGT or ass to grass squat, know, like where you're all the way down, you know?
But it should be, when you're in that position, it should be a restful posture, where there you should be like, I can have a conversation in this position. And when you can do that, when you get comfortable enough to be in that, it's so many benefits because long-term, all these issues that people have, right? Neck pain, low, mid back pain, low back pain, sitting at a desk, all these issues that come from that,
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you can be prevented by just these simple fixes that people can start their day off with.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to give a visual for the listener so they kind of understood. Yeah, that's great. That's great. And then as I got to say that hang, I have a pull-up bar in my doorway and I will do a hang like that and just let my body, now I don't think I do 30 seconds, which I will now increase, but I do that hang and I'll tell you when I do that regularly, I feel
so much more.
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I feel energetically more balanced. I feel in alignment. Like there is something about that hang, and you've just explained it, there's something about that hang that makes me feel more whole and open. So I love that. And I was just over, was like, yeah, I do that one, I do that one.
And I'm curious, for those who aren't able to get outside or who can't get their feet into the ground, are there alternatives for them being either inside by a window or any alternatives?
Absolutely, Tenzi. And then this is a question I've gotten from a few of my readers. And I actually incorporate that into the book. I remember this woman from Boston had reached out to me and says, is no way I could step out and put my feet on the ground near where I live, for sure. It says, what's my alternative? so the best is right.
being in touch with earth, you know, and that's the best. But on the flip side, you know, if you can get sort of barefoot walking shoes, some of them even have like grounding aspects to it where they have that mechanism and they are grounding shoes where it just gives you that kind of electrochemical aspect to it. There is benefit to that, okay? And that can be applied and then that would work on
just walking on, you know, sidewalks and whatnot where you don't have to touch your feet directly. And that does have some benefit. It will not give you the microbial benefit that we talked about, right, because that is coming from the soil, but it will give the other benefit. However, I will say this, is that there is one aspect, one
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of that chapter on grounding and connecting with the earth where I talk about this concept of shinrin-yoku. Okay, it's a term from Japan. It means forest bathing. And what is interesting is that apart from us touching the ground, one of the things is that if we're in a natural space, right? And in Japan, use this term shinrin-yoku.
And what they do is they have these little trails that are about a 15 minute walk, 20 minute walk, and they're actually treat treatment trails. You enter one end and you leave the other end and that's it. There's nothing you do. You don't need to do anything. You just kind of walk through that area. And what they've found is that people just being in that natural environment, it's life, your life meeting life that's in these forests.
There is a level of communication we have yet to understand. There are ions in the air, there are aromatic compounds in the air that you breathe in, that you just, it's just subconscious. You're not even aware of it. But things start changing in your body just by being in this space and experiencing those ions, those compounds and everything like that. And there's all this research that came out of this concept of forest walking.
where they would do blood samples before and after people came out of that trail. And after that 15, 20 minute walk, people's blood chemistry would change, their blood pressure would change, their other health biomarkers would positively change, and it's phenomenal, okay? So even if you have shoes on, if you can find an area where there is
a lot of nature there, just be that space. It will happen automatically.
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Yeah, that's great tips. Thank you. You know, I feel like this conversation would not be complete if we didn't talk about some of the energy mechanics because that goes into that next level, that expansion. Where do you see the biggest payoff for really reclaiming cellular vitality? Would it be mitochondria, circadian light, mineral rebalance, hot, cold breath? I mean, you've already talked about breath work, but
I would love to know if someone is overwhelmed, what is the smartest first lever to really push down or to venture into?
Sure, sure.
So mitochondrial health, when we talk about that, the mitochondria produce the component, the energy component, the ATP component that we talk about, that drives everything, okay? That's the currency that's common to everything in our body, okay? Everything meaning everything. The thoughts you think, your skin health.
your mental health, and you know, your neurotransmitters that are being formed, your hormones that are being produced, all of that uses ATP energy, right? So when we say mitochondrial health, it's not a specific area, it's really describing your overall health, okay? So what, when we talk about improving mitochondrial health, all these things that we've talked about improve mitochondrial health, okay? And all the way from that morning sunlight exposure,
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that movement and I would say to answer your question apart from those things that we have talked about which will surely improve your mitochondrial health and energy.
The piece that perhaps we haven't touched upon is the aspect of connecting with food. And that's really chapter three in my book. It's like paradigm that I talked about. And we talked about connecting with the earth, connecting with our body. And the third paradigm is connecting with food and food becomes so important. And when I talk about food, it's bit counterintuitive.
And what I mean by that is when I do a stage talk, I'll usually say that when you eat something, you know, is your how is your body receiving that food? You know, is your body going, yeah, you know, the, know, here is food coming in or is your body, how is your body? How do you think your body is reacting? And people will give me all these separate answers, you know, and whatnot. And
I would say, then I tell them that when you put anything in your mouth, your body actually in the initial phase is very cautious because it's trying to analyze what just came in. Because digestion is one of the most energy intensive process in your body. And so first your body's trying to figure out, is this anything foreign that I need to react?
to or is this close to earth and it's something that will be beneficial to me, So depending on what we put into our body, we can put it in a alert and inflamed mode or it could be in a form of a mode where it says, this is something I can assimilate and use as energy, okay? And so making that decision that what is going in your body
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And is it going to bring you life or take life away? It's huge. And it's when people understand that, that what the food is actually doing to you, it really changes how people view food. And, know, nowadays, most of us eat more for our palate rather than for our vitality. Right. And
I'm nothing wrong with eating foods that you like, you know, and I'm all for having, you there's certain restaurant dishes, there's certain places that we go to and they're awesome. But again, that cannot be the norm because I do want to feed my vitality, you know? And I think that has been when people understand that aspect that we...
We want to feed our vitality and that's where the true energy is coming from, the mitochondria, that we want to optimize food so that we can produce that real, what we call is that primal energy. And one aspect to this, okay, and this is something that comes from the Hadza, What was interesting when I was doing this research and I was looking up all the...
the research on the study this Hatsa tribe and my own experiences people think that all these Hatsa tribe they must eat a lot of meat and and and you know because they're hunting down these animals and that the cooking them and they're eating they're eating these and it's not actually it's not true actually a lot of their diet is from foraging and eating berries and tubers
Actually, a good amount of diet comes from tubers. And I know that because I used to really, I still love the tubers that I ate there. Particularly, there's a tuber called a particular type of yucca that comes from there. I can taste it. I can close my eyes. I can taste it right now. I loved it. And what's interesting is that when you eat these tubers, they contain a insane amount of
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prebiotic fiber, okay? And that prebiotic fiber, when you eat these tubers, to give you a comparison, the average American gets about 15 grams of protein. Okay, if you get 15 grams of protein, you're doing good. That's good.
What? 15 grams, holy moly.
Okay. But that's good. That's like if you're getting 15, that's good. Okay. I'm saying most people are getting less than that. Right. When you compare to the Hadza tribes, they're getting like 150. Okay. Because of all the tubers and everything they eat. And what happened is one of the when they tried to figure out why these guys had this unstoppable energy and this such a low incidence of chronic disease.
And they traced it back that their food intake with all these tubers and this fiber gave them so much prebiotic fiber that their gut microbiome was just incredible. Like they had one of the most diverse gut microbiome. And because of that superb gut microbiome diversity, their body was able to just handle all these all these stressors and
and would not, doesn't develop all these chronic diseases that we have. So it's such a fascinating connection when you think about it, that it's actually in foods that feed the microbiome, that's where the true vitality and health and energy is coming from,
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And that makes complete sense. mean, that is a whole other topic, a huge topic of the gut microbiome and how that really impacts. But all of that makes so much sense because that is our foundation. It is where most of our immune health cells reside. And if you don't have that strong gut microbiome that's diverse, then stressors can really impact you at a deeper level.
which then cascades into inflammation and all that stuff, right?
Absolutely. And if you just look at the just two quick scientific pearls, one, we have more microbial cells than human cells in our body. Okay, we are more microbes than human, actually. So when you eat, you're actually feeding them more than you, first of all. And the second piece is
it's almost 90 % of serotonin and some of the neurotransmitters are produced in your gut. So you think that all these neurotransmitters are produced here, but they're produced here. And so when people say, I don't feel that energetic, I don't feel like myself anymore, it's actually coming from here, which is just phenomenal if you think about that.
Wow, wild. That's so wild. Well, Kavine, let's talk about your book. Tell us about your book and how people have started to shift just by reading it and implementing some of these paradigms.
Speaker 1 (01:26:09.048)
Sure, know, of the comments I get, and if you go to Amazon and if you read some of the reviews, you'll see what people are saying. And I think one of the aspects, which I didn't think about when I wrote it, was just, for me, like I said, I come from a designer background and then my lineage, so I wanted to just design the book so that it was like made sense. So I said, okay, we're gonna write a chapter and we're gonna give real clear directions because like,
You know, my whole family is all about like design and like they're like, no, it has to be perfect. You have to give like clear. So I said, okay, we're going to give clear. So at the end of each chapter, I would say, okay, here are the eight takeaways. This is what you want to do, you know? And so the first thing people would say is, you know, that's my favorite part. I could go to the end of the chapter and you can tell me what I need to do tomorrow. You know? So I think people engage with that aspect the most.
And I'm glad that at least that you read something you enjoy and then you have some takeaways which you can apply that day if you want. And so I've done that for every single chapter. And then I have a whole chapter on Primal Reset Program where I tie everything together in one chapter where people can read that and say, what are these changes I can make? And a lot of things we just talked about already and there are many more.
tips and tricks in the book. you know, if people can engage with that through the book and on my website, which is the same as the book title, primalhealthdesign.com, there are some downloads that people can get. And if people want a deeper dive, where they want a one-on-one conversation with me and want more of like a 21-day transformative journey where you and I talk and really dive deep.
then there is a way to get information about the Primal Reset program there as well.
Speaker 2 (01:28:11.182)
I love that. I love a good organized checklist. That always makes me so happy. All right, so I'm doing something new, Kavin. Before we really get into where you are hanging out, where people can buy your book, and all of those logistics, let's do a little rapid fire. Rapid fire questions just to get a little deeper into your brain. Remember, no thinking. This is just what comes up.
Yeah
Speaker 2 (01:28:39.508)
right away. All right. Are you ready? Okay. All right. So number one, I want you to finish this sentence. I got younger when I stopped.
Staying up late.
Mmm, which was one of the first things we talked about. I love that. I love that. Alright number two if longevity had a soundtrack What song belongs on track number one and why?
Speaker 1 (01:29:12.466)
That's an interesting one. I would say staying alive.
That is a great answer. love that. Yes. Yes. Beautiful. All right. And number three, if your younger self could audit your current routine, what would surprise him the most, but in a good way?
What would surprise my present self or my younger self? younger self. I would say my present routine is way better than my younger self. And I would say my eating habits would surprise my younger self the most. And I used to love all the sugary cereals.
self.
Speaker 1 (01:30:07.022)
And I grew up in that era where Captain Crunch and Cinnamon Toast Crunch and Fruit Loops and you're a young kid watching televisions and cartoons and all these serial ads are coming. You're like, mom, I want that. And you just never thought anything of it.
And I look back and I go, my God, you know, that what were we putting in our bodies in terms of the artificial colors and all that first thing in the morning instead of really feeding our body what would improve the mitochondrial health and everything that we talk about. So that has, I can for sure has drastically changed.
Yeah, hey, listen, who cares about all the dyes when you can get a really cool toy?
Yeah, exactly. It was worth it. was totally worth it. colored milk is like fantastic. You get to drink the colored milk, you know.
It was totally worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:31:06.164)
Yeah exactly that's awesome love it love it. All right well this has been an amazing conversation. I would love to know how people can find you. Where are you hanging out? What are you excited about in your work? And of course where can people buy your book?
Sure. Book is on Amazon and every other platform. It's available worldwide actually in all countries. So book is titled Primal Health Design. The website is also same, primalhealthdesign.com. And that website actually will bring you to a splash page where people can connect with me via newsletter.
I'm on LinkedIn, which is a great platform to connect with me. It's a Kavin Mystery MD. And you can find me on LinkedIn, which is a great platform. A lot of people throw questions at me on LinkedIn and I always get a notification, I answer. But same, Kavin Mystery MD, I'm on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, and any one of those platforms that people want to use.
is nice because I have a newsletter on there. It's called The Aligned Life, which I put out bi-weekly and I cover important topics. the topic this week, which I put out earlier this week, it's called The Seventh Horcrux, which is a segue from Harry Potter, if anybody remembers Harry Potter. And The Seventh Horcrux was that,
Harry was the seventh one and he realized that in order to defeat the enemy, people are not familiar with Harry Potter, in order to defeat the enemy, he had to sacrifice himself. And so I talk about that, how ultimately letting go of who we are lends to a larger life. so that's what the Aligned Life newsletter and the blog is about. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33:17.28)
And all those links, of course, will be down in the show notes, like always. And you know what's funny? You say about the Harry Potter, that beautiful picture that your wife did, did in the background when we first signed on, I was like, that looks like the moving staircases in Harry Potter.
I'll tell her that. I'll tell her that. Yeah, yeah,
Yeah, this has been awesome. Do you have any last words that you want to lay on the hearts of the listeners before we sign off for today?
Hansi, it's been a pleasure. would tell the listeners that, listen, you know, one of the things that we've been programmed to believe is that we are set to age and decline at a certain point in our life. All the signs and everything is pointing to the fact that there is no set decline, that a lot of the aging process
is in our hands. And if we can be proactive about it, if we can design routines that bring back these primal connections, that we can really reclaim our health and reverse our biological age. Hence, the title, Primal Health Design, is my aim and my mission is really to give people those connections back so that, you know, together
Speaker 1 (01:34:47.34)
we can really have a culture where we are not dependent on traditional medicine. I come from the medical world, so can speak to you, but I don't want you showing up on my CT screen or my MRI screen, right? Because you don't belong there. You let your body age naturally and be beautiful and blossom into everything that we were created to be.
Thank you so much, Kameen. I appreciate you. What a great episode. As you land back in your body, here are your integration, your reflection prompts that I want to offer you for this week to really dive into.
What's one tiny habit you'll make non-negotiable this week to feel younger by design? which lever will you pull first? Light, movement, minerals or hydration, breath, sleep, nature, or maybe something else? And
What's the one environment tweak that makes it inevitable? Think shoes by the door or water and minerals on the nightstand or maybe a sunrise alarm.
Think on these questions, scan your body and see how they make you feel. If today's conversation lit you up, make sure to jump down into the show notes and grab Dr. Kavine's morning routine PDF in the show notes and start tomorrow with intention. If gifting season is already buzzing in your brain, add your person to the wish and tell so that you can get exactly what you want. No guesswork, just heart. And if you're local, come say hi at the shows that we,
Speaker 2 (01:36:35.224)
I've mentioned and I would love to meet you in real life. And until next time, keep spreading that beautiful energy you were born to share.
