The Energy Fix Episode 117 - FINAL.mp3
2025-06-10
Transcript
0:00:13 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name’s Tansy and and I’m an intuitive crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It’s time to talk all things energy. Let’s dive in. Oh, we are in so much change right now. I mean, have you been feeling this call lately to really return to your core essence, the you before burnout or overwhelm or the nonstop doing?
0:00:53 Tansy Rodgers: I know I have. I feel like there’s just so much, so much brewing within me that wants the shift, the change. I mean, June is whispering. It is whispering to us. It’s time to come back home. And that can look different from everybody. But we are officially stepping into a six month in numerology. June is a six month, and it is a time that’s really asking us to reflect on harmony and healing and responsibility, creating beauty in the everyday.
0:01:28 Tansy Rodgers: And what may make it feel even more wacky on any given day is that we’re also in a Universal Year 9, meaning many of us are releasing outdated versions of ourselves and really preparing for that next soul evolution, that next step up where you’re being called to. And I feel like these two numbers together in numerology go hand in hand. Really big things are shifting beneath the surface, even if it just feels very subtle.
0:02:02 Tansy Rodgers: And in this energy of realignment, what matters most is the how. The how you’re protecting yourself, the how you’re nourishing, the how you’re expressing yourself. That matters more than ever right now. Maybe you are looking for clarity or trying to get your nervous system supported and under control. Maybe you want deeper connection to your intuitive knowing, better relationships, reps, it doesn’t really matter.
0:02:29 Tansy Rodgers: What matters is the how and how you’re going about doing that. And in my work, if you’re looking for some tools to put into your toolbox in my work, you can look at maybe some of the crystal jewelry that I do or maybe even the crystal energy healing sessions. My crystal jewelry isn’t just pretty though. Yes, it is that too. Each piece is actually energetically aligned here, handcrafted with intention, designed to support your emotional, physical, spiritual well being.
0:03:02 Tansy Rodgers: They’re like wearable energy medicine. That is the purpose of them. And so if this is something that really intrigues you, you can head on over to beuchrystals.com anytime. Shop what I have there online. But if you want to see me in person. I’ll give you a few updates here in a moment of where I will be if Crystal Jewelry if jewelry is not your thing and you’re looking for something a little bit more personalized, then perhaps one of my intuitive Crystal Energy Healing sessions are right for you.
0:03:39 Tansy Rodgers: These are for those ready to shift stuck energy, to soothe the body, to tap into intuitive guidance. And these one on one sessions are deeply transformative, especially powerful during energetic months like this one, helping you to just flush out what’s not working anymore and help you to step into your next alignment with clarity, with understanding, with a path, a plan to move forward. So if that’s something that interests you, then please reach on out, head over to tansyrogers.com
0:04:16 Tansy Rodgers: you can contact me to get a sense session. You can sign up on over there and just explore more. And as for where I will be showing up in real life, here is the magic that is happening this month. So on Saturday, June 21st I will be at the Lehigh Gem Jewelry and Rock show from 10 to 4 at Venue 100 in Brenningville’s Picture Pa. I think I pronounced that correct. Brenningsville. Come explore some healing jewelry and some high vibe crystals for summer grounding and you will get to also see all of the extra stuff that is not on my website.
0:05:01 Tansy Rodgers: Tuesday, June 24, our next sound and Crystal Reiki group session is happening over at Shavaya Healing Arts and Linux. This is your chance to really reset, to reset your energy to sink into a vibrational flow. So if you’re in the area, I would love to see you on over there and do some sound and energy healing work. And then finally Thursday, June 26th I will be back at Reiki by Ricky in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania for Enlightened Healing Day where I am doing mini Crystal Energy healing sessions.
0:05:37 Tansy Rodgers: So if this is something that interests you, please reach out to me. These fill up so if your soul is saying it’s time, it is time for you to listen. You can head over to Tansy Rogers.com and click on the link to check out the schedule and see what is still available. Now that is all the updates. Let’s get into today’s Guest if you have ever felt pulled between your intuition and the noise of the outside world, today’s episode is an absolute must. Listen.
0:06:11 Tansy Rodgers: I’m joined by Torkel Farrell, a physician, photographer, documentary filmmaker and author whose work bridges health, creativity and the art of paying attention. We dive deep into the intersection of body intelligence, resilience, stress, self responsibility and Torco’s perspective is as poetic as it is practical. I think you’re going to leave this episode not just inspired, but more attun to what your life is trying to tell you.
0:06:45 Tansy Rodgers: He’s going to be talking so much about wearable tech and what you can do to help you become healthier, but in an intentional way, in an intuitive way. And using wearable tech in ways that are going to support you, not take you away from living life. That’s the important thing here. So without further ado, here is Torkel spreading his knowledge and his wisdom and his passion. Let’s dive in.
0:07:20 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome to the Energy Fix podcast torquel. Thank you so much for being here today.
0:07:25 Torkil Færø: Thank you, Tanse. It’s great to be here.
0:07:29 Tansy Rodgers: You know, I want the listeners to get to know you on a deeper level, to really connect into where you’re at in this season of your life. And, and I’m curious, is there a word or a phrase that you’re really embodying that you’re connecting to right now?
0:07:47 Torkil Færø: Yes. You asked me that just before we started and I thought follow your heart has always been my goal, but now it’s also follow the heart, not only like in a more literal sense, also to follow your heart rhythm and not only to follow your dreams, what is normally meant by it. So I mean, both things is important, I think.
0:08:14 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And we’re going to have so much conversation about why following your heart physically is really important and how it can be so beneficial. But one question I do have for you with the whole concept of following your heart, especially when it comes to dreams, aspirations, deepest heart’s authentic desires. Torco, how do you do that when it feels like you get stuck in the shoulds and the to do’s of every single day? How do you follow your heart confidently and also in a way where sometimes that often trumps the things that you know that you need to do?
0:08:56 Torkil Færø: Yes. First I must say I’ve been lucky because I’ve been having that anthem or so to say, from when I was in high school, school. So I’ve always been living by that. If, if I want to do something, I want to be in a position to. To do that. So that is why as a doctor, I’m a freelancer and so I can always, every day that I work, I have chosen myself. If I want to do something, I do it. So I have few kind of everydays that will look the same.
0:09:34 Torkil Færø: So I organized my life around being able to not do too much of the shoulds and have to do right. But of Course something you have to do. But I accept that. I accept that maybe 30% of the daily activities will be something that I have to do and everybody has to do. But I try to make as much time, like 70%, you know, just to grab the number out of thin air. That is what I really want to do. And if, if those numbers changed, that I get like 70% should do and 30 want that, then I would do something and stop what I’m doing right now and change it for something that is more.
0:10:23 Torkil Færø: We only have like 80 years on Earth and you really have to make your time valuable. And I have very, very low tolerance for. For doing mandatory stuff. Right. So like in medical school already, I was as little in medical school as I could to have enough knowledge to. To pass the exams in the. With some margin. Right. Because I wanted to travel, I wanted to see the world. So I would often just buy the books, work a little bit, save some money, go off somewhere to Nicaragua or Africa or Asia and then go back for the exams and do the exams. So I have been living this way all my life. So it’s.
0:11:10 Torkil Færø: It’s second nature to me.
0:11:13 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And you can see that. I. I love that. I. I love that you even emphasize not getting into the weeds of whatever your study is and just l. Doing what you need to do, but then being able to live life and follow your passions. And honestly, you can see that in everything you do. I mean, your journey is so unique. You’re not just a physician, but a filmmaker, photographer, or world traveler, if I remember correctly. I believe that you travel to over 80 countries.
0:11:46 Torkil Færø: That’s right.
0:11:46 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Yeah. So what was the wake up moment that made you shift from traditional medicine to this more holistic, data driven, prevention first approach and just embracing a different way of reality in your work?
0:12:05 Torkil Færø: Yeah, that was kind of a sudden shift at some point because I had been just a normal doctor doing my job as I was expected to, but mainly to be on the front row of life to observe what people do, how they do it. That was my goal and at the same time being able to finance my adventures. But. And while we were sailing with my family, we had. I had saved up money, worked really hard to sail four years around the world with my family.
0:12:43 Torkil Færø: And one year into that, as we are going through the Panama Canal or just planning to like in a few days to go through the Panama Canal into the Pacific, I got a text message from my father saying that he had gotten cancer. Right. And he had been on the boat just a month before and then understood, this is serious. We just packed up the boat, tied it to the marina by the canal, and we were home in 48 hours.
0:13:15 Torkil Færø: And so, like my dream just had a hard stop, right? Like the dream turned into a nightmare in some fashion. And suddenly I had to look at myself in the mirror and I just saw that I had neglected my own health, pursuing my adventures. I hadn’t really thought about health. We didn’t really learn that in medical school. You know, as well that in medical school we learn how to treat disease, to diagnose and categorize and find whatever treatment would be suitable for this disease, whether surgery or medications or whatever.
0:13:53 Torkil Færø: But we didn’t really know how to create health that was not on the curriculum. So suddenly I could see that, okay, if I continue this lifestyle of being overweight, I weighed 40 pounds more than I do today under trained, underslept, overstressed, not caring what I was eating, drinking two, three glasses of wine every day, as I thought was healthy at the time. So I understood that, okay, you need to take a U turn here and change your lifestyle.
0:14:28 Torkil Færø: And then I had to study medicine 2.0. You know, I had to study at my own leisure time and find out this, and then read new books. And suddenly I was reading probably twice the amount that I was reading in medical school, just to, for my own sake, to be healthier, to live longer, to be able to reach into the 90s and still be healthy. That was my goal. So I changed my life, Started exercising, starting caring about what I was eating, losing weight, quitting alcohol and some other stuff as well.
0:15:06 Torkil Færø: Or we had some nicotine that we use in Norway, some bags to put under our lips, and I quit that. And some years into this journey, I became aware of the autonomic nervous system and the importance of the autonomic nervous system. And I also became aware that it was possible to measure the autonomic nervous system because we had not learned that in medical school. So heart rate variability and the new devices that can track that.
0:15:38 Torkil Færø: For two years I was using an ECG based monitor that I taped on my chest and saw my graphs, understood that I’m way more stressed than I thought because I was used to thinking stress as mental stress. So I would expect when I saw the readings that I would be in the calm state, just in pure harmony, because I was never scared. I was never in that fight, flight and freeze mode, you know, of the part of the sympathetic nervous system.
0:16:13 Torkil Færø: But what I could see is that I was stressed almost all the time. But the Stressors were food, alcohol, lack of sleep, the nicotine, and various other things that I had never thought of would have anything to do with stress. But it was, I could clearly see that it was putting a load on my system. And then I started the detective work, trying to detangle. Okay, what is this? And I had no book to guide me because the Pulse Cure, my book is the world’s first book on how to use wearables to kind of guide your lifestyle changes.
0:16:59 Torkil Færø: So I had to find out everything myself. And somewhere along this journey also my publisher became aware that I was doing this and they asked me if I could write a book about it. And I did. And it, this book is still on the bestseller list in Norway after two and a half years, translated into seven languages, which has just transformed my life because I’m usually a normal general practitioner. And now suddenly I’m in a roller coaster ride of media attention and getting recognized on the streets everywhere and living a whole other adventure, you know, so.
0:17:43 Torkil Færø: So that. That’s part of the story. Yeah.
0:17:45 Tansy Rodgers: Wow. Well, do you feel that learning about wearable technology and using that to improve your health was the needle mover in your journey? Or do you feel like there were other pieces of the puzzle that really catapulted you forward so that you could embrace, discover about wearable technology?
0:18:09 Torkil Færø: I think it was, it was probably like 40% of it because, because I immediately quit alcohol. I understood immediately that this is not good. And then I lost weight. I understood that, okay, I, I had to lose those 40 pounds. But then the rest of it, I was really needed the wearables to be able to identify the sources of stress. I would never have thought of it. I would never have understood that late meals will affect your sleep.
0:18:45 Torkil Færø: Late training, certain kinds of food, like flour based food, sugar, ultra processed foods, chili mustard, you know, so there are lots of different foodstuffs that can destroy my sleep, which I never would have even thought about, you know, before. I would never have woken up in the morning thinking that how I feel now has anything to do with what I was eating 12 hours earlier. But that becomes really apparent when you start tracking your heart rate, because your heart rate responds to any demand on it. Of course, everybody understands that the huge demand will raise your heart rate a lot.
0:19:33 Torkil Færø: But also small demands that can be ongoing for a long time will also affect it. And they can be more problematic than the short bursts of, of, you know, of stress. So once I started taking those, identifying the stressors and taking them out, then I saw that I had A whole other level of being refreshed or having, and having energy that I hadn’t even known about before I started using the wearables. And, and that is also the reason of the book’s success, that it points to these powerful devices.
0:20:13 Torkil Færø: So it’s not, it’s not only that the book is easy to read and it will explain the best strategies for a better lifestyle, but it’s also that they point to tools that are new and that people find very useful and changes their lives. You know, I just get the messages every day in on Instagram or from people who have, thanking me for just turning their lives around just as I did, you know?
0:20:43 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, well. And I’m sure too that when you’re traveling so much and you’re really experiencing the world, it’s not, especially in the beginning, it’s not always easy to have easy access to the things that you need to keep you healthy or to keep you on track. But I am curious, in the 80 plus countries that you’ve traveled to, how has travel really shaped your perspective on the cultures that you’ve encountered, on their health, their resilience, the human body in general?
0:21:22 Tansy Rodgers: Have you learned some really interesting facts or observations along the way?
0:21:29 Torkil Færø: Yes, absolutely. And then I must probably go to the extremes because I was working for Doctors Without Borders in Angola. That was in the, in the very start of my career even. I was even a medical student. And this was before the Internet, so I didn’t really know what to expect. I went to what had been a war zone just a year or so before where half of the population of that city had died and there was still a lot of mine injuries.
0:22:00 Torkil Færø: At the hospital where I worked, there were like 200 children malnourished and two or three of them would die every day or every night, usually during the night. And still under these circumstances, they were so happy. They had some energy and life zest and smiling and laughing more than anyone I’d known. Right. And also. And they had like nothing. So it was so interesting for me to see that the ones that had nothing of what we would regard as nothing. Right.
0:22:48 Torkil Færø: We’re so happy. But they had many other things. They had each other, they had a strong community. They had. They were more in tune with nature. Sleeping in the dark, when it’s dark, being outside under the sun, the food they had was, was natural. Right. So they were exposed to temperatures. Yeah. So there were many factors, I think, that was on their side. And the biggest shock for me was when I came home to Norway. You Know, one of the richest countries in the world, and people were unhappy.
0:23:27 Torkil Færø: People had. Were anxious, depressed, bored and fatigued and being annoyed by petty things. Right. So then I was really curious, how can this be? How can it be so that it’s harder to be happy when you have everything than when you have, like, nothing? So, and that was because I had planned to work like that all the time. I had planned to become, like, a war surgeon or something of that nature, going all around the world doing that kind of work.
0:24:11 Torkil Færø: But I became more interested in what’s. What’s our trouble. It was obvious what was their problem. They were starving. It was war. And. But what was our problem in our part of the world was a bit harder to understand. Why. Why can’t we be happy or find meaning on purpose? Why do we commit suicide, you know, out of not finding any purpose and. And many other reasons, of course. So. So that is part of the way that I’ve been working in Norway, just observing what do people do, why do they do it, Being curious about these things.
0:24:54 Tansy Rodgers: That’s fascinating. And, you know, as you were talking, I kept thinking to myself how. How unrecognized, sometimes unemphasized, sometimes that something as simple as living in the rhythm of nature, living in that flow, living with purpose, is the foundation of just health, happiness, being whole as a person, as a soul, like, it’s so important. And I love that you just emphasize that by going and seeing a area where mass destruction and devastation was occurring and then coming home, where there was richness and abundance and it was so vastly different.
0:25:44 Tansy Rodgers: And really, it comes down to that flow and that purpose, at least at the. The underlying of it. You know, there’s many other factors, of course, but I find that so fascinating. And I love. I love that you took that and are using that inspiration to make a difference.
0:26:03 Torkil Færø: Yeah, yeah, it’s been. It was just maybe five months or so, but still, it was, like, worth 10 years of experience in those, you know, compressed months. And I also learned something similar because many years later I was. I’ve been teaching photographic workshops around the world, more than 60 of them. And one of the workshops was in Ethiopia, which, of course, has had their share of problems and famines and. And wars and. And so.
0:26:36 Torkil Færø: But at the time we were having this photographic workshop, it was calm. But what impressed me about the people, because we were driving a bus, but you could see the children running to school, not walking. And it’s probably like five miles or three miles or so to their school, and they’re doing something in between running and walking. But you can see from their post that it’s as effortless for them as walking is for us. They were just running long distances and at a time, it was in the evening we had a show where people were dancing for us and invited us to dance.
0:27:24 Torkil Færø: And they were dancing for like two hours. And when they invited us, the photographers to dance, we could hardly take five minutes until we were totally pumped out, you know, and, and just had to sit down. And then I understood, okay, so, so this is the capacity that we, we could have, right? So, so then I understood the poor capacity of most Westerners physically. And I can see that when I work at the ER that the common denominator for most of the people is that they would not be able to run 200 meters without being totally exhausted or 300 meters.
0:28:11 Torkil Færø: And then I can compare that to those people in Ethiopia that was just running and walking anywhere. So I think also the physical side of it is really important to have a good physiology, to have good mitochondrias, to have a good VO2 max. So that your capacity both mentally and physically I think is better.
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0:30:06 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, well, as you were talking, I was thinking to myself, how, you know, heart rate, it reveals so much more than just our physical health. I mean, yes, in the, in this, what you’re describing there, Westerners, you know, we have more Of a sedentary lifestyle. Our nutrition is not always on point. There’s a lot of other physical health compromises, toxins, you know, all of those things that, that create this, this degrading of our health.
0:30:38 Tansy Rodgers: But I also think a large part of that is because of the nervous system and stress and taking care of that nervous system. So thinking about the heart and how it can really show us what’s going on with the nervous system, too, can you explain what our heart is actually telling us day to day, outside of just the physical pumping that we know it to be doing?
0:31:04 Torkil Færø: Yeah. So the heart is like a monitor for the balance, for the intensity in our lives, both physically and mentally, because the heart has nerves going into it and regulating it from both the sympathetic nervous system and the parasympathetic nervous system. So those are the two parts of the ancient, I call it the inner living fossil in our brains. Because the foundation of our nervous system is still this kind of reptile brain, this autonomic nervous system that we share with vertebrates and mammals and is close to 300 million years old and is mainly working in the same way, you know, as 100 million years ago, which is why we can do research on mice and rabbits and tell.
0:32:02 Torkil Færø: It will still tell something about our nervous system, you know, animals that we split away from, like 100 million of years ago. Evolutionary sense. So this autonomic nervous system is then split into two parts. The sympathetic part, the stressful survival mode that makes gives us, you know, mobilizes us towards something we want or away from something that wants us, right. Want to eat us. And we cannot be in that state all the time.
0:32:32 Torkil Færø: So we have a calming parasympathetic nervous system that calms us down. It’s a recovery system. This is where the immune system works at its best. And the heart rate can reveal whether we are in the sympathetic mode or the parasympathetic mode. Because when we are in the parasympathetic mode and we are all calm, then when we breathe in, the heart rate goes up a little bit to take advantage of the extra oxygen.
0:33:02 Torkil Færø: And when we breathe out and there’s less oxygen in the lungs, the heart rate slows down just a little bit, Measured in milliseconds, but detectable by these devices. But when we are in the stress state, it’s like our nervous, this ancient nervous system that don’t know anything about computers or iPhones or whatever is existing today, it just interprets that this body is under pressure, is in danger. We have to use all available forces, even when there’s less oxygen in the lungs. So it will be more like a metronome.
0:33:36 Torkil Færø: And these devices, the wearable smartwatches, can detect whether we are in the parasympathetic state or the sympathetic state, and to what degree. And it will keep track of it 24,7. It will use algorithms based from readings of millions of people and then the last years, also artificial intelligence. Then it will present it to you in an understandable way, whether your stress balance is compatible with good health and well being or not.
0:34:16 Torkil Færø: So, and this is an insight into this system that we are not equipped to understand. We don’t have any sense for this ourselves because all throughout history all the threats have come from the outside, from other animals, from foul food, from, from enemies and, and you know, fire, you have to smell that there’s a fire going on somewhere, you know, to escape and so on. And the sense of our inner stress levels had never needed to be developed. It has never been a problem.
0:34:52 Torkil Færø: Right. So if we could sense the stress in the same magnitude as we can smell, for example, it would have disturbed the outside signals and you would be the one that would be eaten first. So, and you can think that whether you have 60 or 80 in heart rate, you wouldn’t be able to tell, at least I’m not able to tell. And that would represent a huge difference in stress levels and load on your system that we really can’t feel.
0:35:31 Torkil Færø: And particularly not if you are stressed and have a lot of things to do and have gotten used to a stress level that is much higher than what we are evolutionary constructed to take. Because when we put these wearables on hunter gatherers that still exist today, we see that they are in moderate or light activity like three hours a day. And the rest of the time they are resting and being in a restful mode.
0:36:02 Torkil Færø: But many of us living in the western world today, we are somewhat in the stressful mode, almost around the clock, even at night. And much of this stress comes from food, ultra processed food, eating from morning until night, staying up, sleeping, not sleeping enough, being too little outside under the sun, having too much light in the evening, disturbing the sleep and on and on. Right. Not being grounded.
0:36:35 Torkil Færø: Yeah.
0:36:37 Tansy Rodgers: Okay, so I have a question because as you were talking, I was thinking about some of my own clients. I was even thinking about when I would wear my wearable tech, when I would train for long distance running that I was doing at that time. I know I, and people that I’ve worked with have gotten so obsessed with the results coming out of the wearable tech that it almost was like, it almost was stressful just tracking and being focused on that, that it took away, I know, at least for me, it, to take away from the actual run itself. Like the piece, the, the, the for running was very relaxing for me. So it started to take some of that away.
0:37:21 Tansy Rodgers: What is your take on that? And how can people not be so obsessive with the tech that they are using to try to bring their stress down?
0:37:31 Torkil Færø: Yeah, so, so that’s a quite common problem and particularly in the beginning because suddenly you’re getting insight into a system you maybe even didn’t know was there. So in the beginning it will be stressful. I often compare it to when you start getting your driver’s license. You’re driving your car and as a beginner you have to look in the mirrors, you’re looking at the dashboard, you’re, you’re checking all the angles. You’re, you’re, you don’t remember should I give way to this way or to this person? You know, and, but after a while when you get used to it, you’re hardly even thinking about it. You’re just taking in the numbers. And only if you get surprised, it raises your attention.
0:38:18 Torkil Færø: So I think most of the time for most people it’s just a transitional phase and after a while it becomes natural. I think in five, 10 years, this, everybody would know their heart rate variability. They would know that this is a way to down regulate their stress system. And but some people would find that the stress is like super high and they would really struggle to get the stress down. And then if they don’t have the keys and solutions how to do that, it will just be stressful.
0:38:59 Torkil Færø: It’s just like, okay, you’re in deep and you don’t know how to get out of it. You know that makes it even worse. Right. But once you get the solutions that okay, maybe look into what food is doing, maybe look into what alcohol is doing, maybe you’re exercising too late in the evening and too hard. For example, once you get the roadmap on how to fix this, it becomes easier for, for people and, but it is like I often say, it’s like having a dashboard.
0:39:31 Torkil Færø: Just like in your car, you have the dashboard to your vehicle, you know your speed, you know how much is left of the gas, you know the temperature, you know whether your engine is, you know, outdoor oil or whatever. And this is just the same, but it’s to your body. So you get the same kind of important and Maybe probably even more important, insight into how your body is doing in the machinery, so to speak. So because from the numbers that these wearables use, you know, they know the heart rate, they know the temperature, they know the oxygen level, they know the pattern of movement.
0:40:11 Torkil Færø: And with this data they can tell us so much about, you know, the, the basic way we live.
0:40:20 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah.
0:40:21 Torkil Færø: So for most people, when they manage to get their stress under control, they feel a lot better, they have more energy, they have more control of what is going on in their lives. And for like, for like 30, 40% of the population, this is really important because they will end up like in a burnout situation with fatigue, problems, with brain fog, with aches here and there, with stomach problems, what we see as doctors every day.
0:40:58 Torkil Færø: And with better stress management, you wouldn’t need to have them or you would have lot less symptoms from these kind of diseases.
0:41:08 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, and I think, I think that it was, oh my gosh, this was so many years ago. I’m sure the percentage has increased. At one point I had read that at least 80% of all doctors visits were a stress related issue in the beginning. And who knows, by this point that percentage may have gone up, you know.
0:41:29 Torkil Færø: Yeah, yeah, it’s probably around that. And then stress also, in a broad sense, because what we eat will give you stress, right?
0:41:39 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah.
0:41:40 Torkil Færø: For many people eating the like, probably in the US 60% of the food is ultra processed food. Most of this food is, contains things that our immune system does not recognize and does not kind of understand. What, what is this? How should we treat this? And it will react with inflammation. And what we doctors did not know, at least, and I think still is not taught in medical school, is that the root cause of many of the diseases is inflammation. It’s insulin resistance, it’s oxidative stress and reactive oxygen species and so on, is poor mitochondria.
0:42:19 Torkil Færø: And so, so those are the root causes of disease. And still, doctors, we are sitting kind of at our own specialty, you know, the heart specialist, the kidney specialist, you know, the brain neurolog, so on. So the gynecologist. So. But it’s all rooted, most of these diseases in too much stress because from these sources that I just mentioned, so we need to take better care of our nervous system and better care of ourselves.
0:42:53 Torkil Færø: And that is the way to improve the health.
0:42:56 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And so thinking about that and then going back to that question that I asked about how not to get obsessed, it’s really about awareness first. Awareness first. But even as you were talking, I.
0:43:07 Tansy Rodgers: Had A little bit of an aha.
0:43:09 Tansy Rodgers: The awareness is there by using the tech, having these numbers, being able to see with your own two eyes what is really going on with your body and its stress levels. But then also so many people, I think, become obsessed because they don’t know what to do next and they stop and they’re like, okay, great, I know this. Now I just got to keep tracking it because eventually it’ll magically change and go down. Right.
0:43:36 Tansy Rodgers: But as you talked, really about learning the shifts to stress balance and learning how to manage that. So I would love for you to talk about what are some everyday signs that somebody’s stress system is really out of whack and what can they do to bring that back just in the very base level to get that ball moving, you know, to get somebody out of that freeze mode of. I don’t know what to do. Let’s talk about what to do.
0:44:09 Torkil Færø: Yeah. So many would experience pain, stress, feeling depressed, being anxious, having migraines, having pains from their stomach, bloating, digestional problems. So often it will manifest itself physically with symptoms from an organ that makes you think that there must be something wrong with this organ, you know, and they go to specialists here and there. So often it will have these kind of symptoms. And of course also brain fog, being jittery, having trouble sleeping, having trouble calming down.
0:44:55 Torkil Færø: And what you have to do then is to try to take away the sources that create stress. For example, alcohol, which according to whoop, the bracelet I have on my right wrist is the worst stressor of all. And I think probably 90% of people drink alcohol. And that would be the first thing to take out because that’s the worst stressor. And then you would need to look at your diet and try to eat food that you can tolerate well without creating stress in your body.
0:45:29 Torkil Færø: Many people say that once I started having a restricted feeding window and skipping bakery goods and flour based food, gluten, food with gluten, my anxiety went away, you know, so. So you have to, to regulate your diet. And then do you, do you think.
0:45:49 Tansy Rodgers: That that’s the gluten that is causing that? Or do you think that it is the stress on the body or, or something else? Like what, what do you think is that causing that?
0:45:59 Torkil Færø: It’s the inflammation in your intestines, which will create inflammation in your body, which will be stressful. It will raise your heart rate. It will create an ongoing inflammation as you will have leaky gut and there will be, you know, the gut is just like, I don’t Remember how many meters, probably eight meters or so, or six or whatever meters. And this tube has one cell layer from the contents of the intestines into the bloodstream.
0:46:37 Torkil Færø: So it’s a very, very vulnerable system. And when that wall breaks down and you get leaky gut, that the tight junctions between the cells, you know, get dissolved to some extent, then you will have these liposaccharides and toxic toxins coming into your bloodstream and it will just create inflammation and, and you will be stressed by that. Once you restrict the feeding window to maybe eight hours or 10 hours, your intestinal system will get enough downtime to repair itself more efficiently.
0:47:17 Torkil Færø: And this may be very, very important for your stress levels, also mental stress levels and other things you would need to do more of. You would need to be better at doing breath work, at finding activities that calms you down. It doesn’t necessarily need to be kind of a waste of time. You could be reading, you could be listening to audiobooks. And it’s also important that this downtime, this restful time, is often the most efficient time because that is when you use the default mode network of your brain, the creative network. So if you’re always in the executive mode, always doing something, planning something, being busy, that is not really the best way to perform.
0:48:11 Torkil Færø: So the best way to perform is to have enough quiet, peaceful time. And that is often, or that is when the default mode network kicks in and it will give you the good solutions. So you have to concentrate and then be calm. So, and this going back and forth from these two states, that is the most effective way to do anything, whether you’re a businessman or an athlete or an artist or whatever you are.
0:48:44 Torkil Færø: So the quiet and downtime is not a waste of time. It’s the way to performance. So that’s important to say also. So you could do meditation, you could do reading, you could do yoga, you could also use cold. So cold is very important to calm yourself down, you know, cool down, we even say it, right? And hot headed and so on. So, and it’s actually what I can see on my, my watch. Like now I’m in a very restful mode. It’s because it’s a bit cold, exactly where I’m at now.
0:49:22 Torkil Færø: And being cold, having a, you don’t need to be cold, but cool. So if there’s a cool temperature in your office, in your bedroom, and if you’re too stressed, go and have a cold shower, do a cold plunge. So that is a really, really efficient way to calm yourself down. Put some, some Cold pads on your. On your neck, for example, put your hands into cold water. So. So being cold is this physical signal to our body that it can be calmer.
0:49:58 Torkil Færø: Because even in Africa, where we come from, evolutionary sense, we moved out to Africa 50,000 years ago. So our system, our physiology is developed there, but it will still be cold during the night. And so during the cold of the night, that would be the best time for the body to repair itself. So we have. We know more now than when I was in medical school that all our cells in the body have a circadian rhythm.
0:50:31 Torkil Færø: They will have times of the day that they work better than others. So the repair cells work best at night, and it is cold at night. So. So the experts think that, okay, there’s a connection there between being cold and as a signal to the nervous system to be calm. Just in the same way that breathing slowly and closing your eyes is the same kind of signal to your body that it’s calm outside, it cannot be a war going on or a threat close by when you are breathing slowly and closing your eyes. Right.
0:51:07 Torkil Færø: So these are some of the ways that our physiology takes in signals to know how to respond to a certain circumstance.
0:51:19 Tansy Rodgers: Well, and I’m curious, when you talk about the cold plunges and getting into cold, cold water, when you’re really feeling anxious and you need to calm yourself down, do you feel that if you are at a beginner’s place where you’re overly stressed, your nervous system is just taxed, you’re on that level of burnout? Do you feel like it’s more beneficial to do, like, the cold pack around your neck or maybe the hands into the water first, rather than doing something as aggressive as, like, a cold plunge or a cold shower?
0:51:55 Tansy Rodgers: Just because I know in my experience that felt like, that was too aggressive when I was kind of right at my edge, like, it felt too aggressive. I needed to. I needed to slow my roll, as.
0:52:08 Tansy Rodgers: They say, and do something a little.
0:52:11 Tansy Rodgers: Bit more gentle so that my body could relax into it.
0:52:17 Torkil Færø: Exactly. So. Good question. And you’re just right. Because if you have a challenged autonomic nervous system, if you have been really stressed maybe for a long time, I can see that then a cold plunge would be too much. So where for people with a higher degree of tolerance to stress, they would tolerate it better. And people in a fatigue situation, for example, people with ptsd, complex ptsd, for example, when they go into the same water, distress in their systems can take longer time or even be too much stress for them.
0:53:01 Torkil Færø: So they would need to do exactly what you said, Just start more softly, either by smaller parts of your body or, or not as cold temperature and so on. It doesn’t really need to be icy cold. It can still be a normal spring temperature. I don’t remember exactly the, the Fahrenheit degrees, but, but even 60, 65 degrees you will still get the same effect. It doesn’t have to be close to freezing temperatures. So, so the, the point is, and with the watches and when I’m talking about micromanaging your stress levels like I do now, then I’m really only talking about the Garmin watches.
0:53:46 Torkil Færø: Unfortunately, for the time being, they are the only one with a system where you can take a cold plunge and you can observe in the hours afterwards exactly how that will affect your nervous system. And when you see that, for example, then most people would see that after the initial high stress, it will switch their body into a parasympathetic mode for a long time, for hours. While a person which is challenged in the being too much in the sympathetic nervous system, that could only lead to stress, they wouldn’t necessarily even see that their body shifts into the parasympathetic mode. Right.
0:54:30 Torkil Færø: So, but the thing is that when you see this, it’s more easy to regulate. It’s more easy to see, okay, this didn’t work for me. I have to do it another way. So, so you’re right. And, and they would also tolerate less of exercise and, and many other stressors that they would have a lower tolerance to. So what you’re looking, what you really want to have is a flexible autonomic nervous system that can give you the possibility to use all your forces when you need to, but also give you possibility to calm down totally to find a state of really calmness.
0:55:09 Torkil Færø: So you want to be able to have control of this yourself and not be dependent on the circumstances, so that you’re only calm when it’s calm outside and stressed when it’s stressed outside. You’re able to regulate these things yourself.
0:55:24 Tansy Rodgers: I love this is you’re talking, I’m realizing, you know, we have a lot of ADHD and neurodivergent brains that listen to this podcast. We have a lot of empaths and highly sensitive people that listen and as you’re talking, it’s really all about tracking because the nervous system of those individuals are just a little bit of a different response. So getting the tracking and learning your body and what you can tolerate and what is a little bit too much or creates that stressful response on the body is so important, even when it’s touted as being very healing and helpful for you, it may not be so. I love that.
0:56:06 Tansy Rodgers: And so even thinking on that and expanding women, do you find that tracking is especially important for women or plays a different role or factor? And can you expand on that and why that’s important?
0:56:24 Torkil Færø: Yes, a very good question again. And. And it’s particularly important for women in. For many reasons. One, of course, and maybe the most important reason is that they have the menstrual cycle because of the hormones. Because you can see the effect of the menstrual cycle on heart rate variability, particularly the week before menstruation, with the PMS week for many women will be visible as a physiological load on your system.
0:56:58 Torkil Færø: The heart rate variability will take a nose dive for that week before it goes up again on the first day of menstruation, and it will improve after that. And for the PMS women, it can be as deep as a strong COVID infection. I can see it’s very similar in the, the dip. And for the PMDD women, which have the premenstrual dysphoric disorder, which is kind of the more serious, harder version of PMS. I can see the curves can be like 12 days a month.
0:57:35 Torkil Færø: And of course, when you have that every month, it’s a huge strain on your system. And the trick is that when you start to see that and observe that will happen, then you can mitigate the stress. You can make sure that you sleep better, that you eat better, and not take the comfort foods with chocolate and crisps and what you would want to have. But it would further deteriorate the stress. And stay away from alcohol, be east down on your training, not have as intense and long workouts. Maybe you would do yoga instead or yoga nidra even then you can mitigate the stress and you will be relieved of much of the PMS symptoms because this is the way we are constructed.
0:58:30 Torkil Færø: Because when there is a stressful situation in the tribe 50,000 years ago, you were not supposed to be pregnant. So cortisol will backfire on the reproductive hormones and disturb them, and that will give you symptoms. And it’s not only PMS that is connected to heart rate variability, but also endometriosis, polycystic ovarian syndrome, even postpartum depression is connected to heart rate variability and infertility is connected to it.
0:59:06 Torkil Færø: The tendency to have spontaneous abortions, a series of them, is connected to heart rate variability. So particularly for women, it’s important to keep track of the HRV and these tracking, I think in addition to that, of course, women tend to take emotional stress on themselves more than men. Right. So. And that also becomes visible. And for example, there would be persons that have contacted me that can say that, okay, when I’m interacting with this person in meetings and when we’re working, then my stress is high.
0:59:48 Torkil Færø: And then some have gone to their boss and say, can you minimize the contact with this person? And they say, okay, we’ll fix that. That others have been in circumstances that they can’t do that, and then they have taken it upon themselves to, okay, I can now see how stressed I am by this person. I cannot change the job, but I will change how I relate to this person or how I am affected by this person.
1:00:14 Torkil Færø: Right. And then they, when they have this speedometer, they can see their intensity, and then they can downregulate it with breathwork or other things.
1:00:26 Tansy Rodgers: I’m over here smiling and laughing to myself because I’m thinking, first off, that’s an amazing tip. I love that. It makes complete sense. And I think I can see exactly why women would benefit so much. But I’m over here laughing because I’m thinking, man.
1:00:44 Tansy Rodgers: I feel like I would.
1:00:44 Tansy Rodgers: Weed out so many people in my life by tracking just the relationship aspect.
1:00:50 Tansy Rodgers: My gosh.
1:00:51 Torkil Færø: And then you would have a reason. You can just tell them, just look at my watch, you know, just get out of my life.
1:00:57 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, sorry, you stress me out.
1:01:00 Torkil Færø: Yeah, yeah. You didn’t pass the test here.
1:01:05 Tansy Rodgers: Oh. So I’m curious, Twerka. What is your favorite way of, like, of using wearable tech? Or is there something that you think everybody should be doing with the wearable tech? Like, what is the most beneficial or your favorite way to really engage with it? It.
1:01:27 Torkil Færø: In the meaning, how, how I use it.
1:01:29 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Like what, in regards to what you track?
1:01:33 Torkil Færø: Yeah, I track the heart rate. I, I. The thing about the Garmin watch, which would be my favorite then, is that I can always see immediately the stress levels in the moment. So. And what I advise people to do and what I used to do is to. To try to guess what I will see on the watch. And the watch is dark. You know, until I push it, it’s dark, so I don’t see it. Right. So I push the. I try to think, how do I feel?
1:02:02 Torkil Færø: And then push the button and then see whether I will be surprised or it will just confirm how I’m feeling. And then, of course, most of the time, in the beginning, I would be surprised, you know, every other time I looked at it because it would be different than what I thought. But after a while you get to know your body in a better way. So you can in a better way guess what you will be seeing based on the sensations in your body.
1:02:28 Torkil Færø: Now I know that my stress level is really low because it’s cool here. If I had been eating because I’m at a birthday party with some people, if I had had two big slices of cake now, this would be high, my stress levels would be high. Or if it was warm in here, so, so it becomes like a game. So where many people would fear that they would be too stressed, my experience is that they think it’s more of a game, it’s a gamification of their own health and which in the same way as in the game where it’s an avatar and this, the health and life of an avatar that you’re playing with here is your own health and, and, and life that you’re playing with.
1:03:15 Torkil Færø: So I would see this, the stress in the moment. And I can also see what Garmin has a body battery system, which is an estimate of how much energy, physiological energy have you charged overnight and how much is going out of the battery once you have, you know, the day goes, right? So I can see now my body battery is 59, which is really good. I’ve been having a calm day. I’ve been driving around with my RV today and just being out in nature and having nice experiences, right?
1:03:54 Torkil Færø: So, and this is the way that I can see, I like to see and observe what is happening to my body during different circumstances. Yesterday I had a meal with some nachos and taco and some chili and my stress levels, even in the same situation as I’m in now was really high. So, so this is how I like to look at it, like a, like a game and sometimes you kind of lose, sometimes you win, right? Or sometimes but, but just paying attention to it is, is, is fun for me.
1:04:33 Torkil Færø: But of course for many people it, I, I also sometimes use the cgm, a continuous glucose monitored, and then I use it for two weeks or one month and then I know, okay, now I remember again how the different foodstuffs affect my blood sugar and then I can put it away. And I guess for many people it could be like that as well. Maybe for two or three months you get some insight to some understandings and then, okay, now it’s not worth it for me anymore.
1:05:04 Torkil Færø: It’s more, more of a hassle. Then I can make use of it. But still you will have learned a lot during that time using the the wearable. Of course, you have other things in Garmin as well. You can have the ora ring or the whoop band, but you wouldn’t be able to see in real time what is happening to you like you can with the Garmin.
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1:06:39 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, you touched on something that I think is such a great benefit to this. You talked just now about how you can use it to also track how your food is affecting you. I mean, sure, you can track your glucose levels, you can see what foods are making your glucose really spike. But that’s not always an option, especially if you’re out and about to track that. If you’re not doing a continuous tracking monitor. Right.
1:07:08 Tansy Rodgers: So I love this because it just feels like it is a great way to get some insight in the moment of how foods are directly affecting you. Because again, even if it’s something healthy, your body may not like may actually be stressing your body out.
1:07:27 Torkil Færø: Absolutely. And many people have found that they have food intolerances. Because if you have a food intolerance like many people have, then your heart rate will go up. And it may be a healthy thing like eggs or certain vegetables or fruits. So it could be intrinsically good thing, but you cannot tolerate it. Your body will react to it and it will not react to it without raising your heart rate. So that’s kind of an ancient way. I think Even in the 50s it was some guys having the pulse test, it was called, he was trying out different things. He would see that the heart rate will go up and this was the way that they identified which food they couldn’t tolerate.
1:08:12 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, yeah.
1:08:14 Torkil Færø: And I often say, and for some people, because sometimes it can be a mix of things. So I usually say that if you can see that the stress level is high, even though you’re doing everything in the book, then the chances of there being a complex food intolerance behind that is really high. So you should take a good food intolerance test to identify that because there may be 10 different things and you would be.
1:08:42 Torkil Færø: There’s no chance that you’re able to, to detangle that on your own or it would take a really long time.
1:08:50 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, that makes sense. So, okay, let’s talk about some sleep. Now you’ve already talked about foods or practices that cause poor sleep, but I know that still so many people are really tired and they don’t know how to fix it. So can you talk about what does your data show about how we can actually rest better and are there some best practices that you would recommend to the listeners today?
1:09:19 Torkil Færø: Yeah. So the whoop band, they track their users habits and they would say that the most important thing is to have a good sleep consistency, that you go to bed and wake up at the same time. And the reason for that is that your brain will more quickly go into the right brain phases when it’s prepared to go into the same at the same time every day as much as possible, of course. And it would be important to wind down the last hours of the day so that the one to two hours before you go to sleep, that you do something that’s calming, that you can see on your watch that is calming, that you dim the lights if it’s light outside, maybe put some blue looking glasses on that you stop eating maybe three or four hours before you go to bed.
1:10:15 Torkil Færø: And of course don’t drink any alcohol. You should have stopped drinking caffeine maybe at noon or maybe even earlier because caffeine has a half life of like six hours, which means that 12 hours after you had that cup, there’s still 25 left of it. It when. When you at at midnight. So it can still affect your sleep. More than that, it could be good to have a cool bedroom, I think. I’m not sure in the Fahrenheit degrees, but I think we’re talking 60 to 65 degrees. Fahrenheit in centigrades is 15 to 18 degree.
1:10:58 Torkil Færø: I don’t remember exactly the same inf. And what more, it should be really dark. Your bedroom should have dark walls. It should, you should not be able to see A hand in front of you in your bedroom at night. So even, and they have seen that even if people are sleeping in and I think in this American study that 40% of the people actually have light on in the bedroom and that will affect the body, even if they’re sleeping, they will have a worse restorative sleep because of the light.
1:11:41 Torkil Færø: So that is dark is really important. And you shouldn’t either have been exercising the last three or four hours before you go to bed. Also, of course, for somebody doing a sport, maybe having an exercise at 8 o’ clock is the only option. Right. But then at least you know that this night you will, you, it will affect your sleep. So you may be extra careful the next day to make sure that you get better sleep then.
1:12:08 Torkil Færø: So yeah, I think that would be my, my best advice on, on sleep. And you would need, most people would need between seven and eight hours of sleep, of effective sleep as measured on your wearables. Not the time in bed, but the time that you’re actually sleeping.
1:12:27 Tansy Rodgers: I’m curious because this was one thing that I was always a little concerned about when it comes to wearables, especially overnight, is the whole concept of the EMFs or the electromagnetic fields. I’m always fearful because I try to keep that at a minimum as much as I can. I’m always fearful that that’s going to impede my sleep or I should say impair my sleep and become a big issue when I’m, you know, in that deep, that deep rest state. So what is your thought process on that?
1:13:03 Torkil Færø: It doesn’t seem to matter much. I listened to your podcast on wearables and EMFs and then I did some Google searches on EMFs and heart rate variability. And at least stress wise, it doesn’t seem to affect much. There were even some studies that show that the heart rate variability was better with the EMF when the EMF was higher. So it’s not, and it’s not my impression that it’s a big problem because I, I get, I get so many messages every day from people.
1:13:39 Torkil Færø: So I think that if it. And many of them would be concerned about the effort enough so they would tell me, I’m quite sure. So it doesn’t seem to be a big problem. But both Garmin, for example, and Aura, you would be able to put it into flight mode so it would only be registering your heart rate and registering, but it would not transmit the signals to your phone. So you would be able to, you know, to put into flight mode and then at a certain Point, you can synchronize them and then put it back again into flight mode if you want to.
1:14:16 Torkil Færø: And I know the Whoopan does not have that option, and maybe other wearables will also have that, but at least the Garmin and the Oura ring would have that option. And then of course, you can put out all the EMF signals and wi fi and everything.
1:14:33 Tansy Rodgers: Oh, I didn’t realize that you could put those into flight mode. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, well, that’s good to know. That’s very helpful. All right, awesome. Okay, so I’m really curious. You say that there are eight strategies that can give us 24 extra years of life. Okay, we’re listening. We want to know just maybe one or two. Can you share one or two of those strategies?
1:15:03 Torkil Færø: Yeah, it’s maybe it’s more areas of life. And this is from a huge American study with 700,000 military personnel followed for like 15 years. And they could see that the follow these strategies from the are 40 years old, will live 24 years longer than the ones who not only don’t follow them, but do it in the opposite way. And the strategies would be having good relationships, eating nutritious food, minimizing alcohol, having good stress management, having good sleep, exercising, refrain from smoking, and not using opioids.
1:15:54 Torkil Færø: So these eight things, if you can can cross the check that you do all of these eight things, then the chances are that you will live 24 years longer than the ones who have the opposite can check the opposite boxes. Poor relationships, drinking too much smoking, poor sleep, no exercise, and so on. And that is also my experience that if you can check all those boxes from clinical experience with patients, you can get into your 90s and still have a good health span, still have a good brain span.
1:16:30 Torkil Færø: If you do everything wrong of these things, then you’d be lucky to get into your 70s, and there would probably be 15, 20 years before that where your life is compromised by a lot of disease and medications and visiting doctors and all of that. So. And these, of course, are the same strategies that the Pulse Cure is all about. So except for the opioid chapter, I don’t have that. But all the other things are important and will be seen in the heart rate.
1:17:06 Torkil Færø: If you smoke, it will affect your heart rate variability and the poor food, the poor sleep, lack of exercise, and everything will become visible in the heart rate.
1:17:17 Tansy Rodgers: And can you tell us again what the name is of your book that’s talking all about this and all about the wearable tech?
1:17:27 Torkil Færø: The Pulse Cure is The book. Yeah. And it’s also available as an audible. So many podcast listeners would rather listen to a book. So I think it’s a seven hour long book. So in those seven hours, you will learn most of what you need to be able to live a healthy life. Yeah.
1:17:48 Tansy Rodgers: And can you find that at. On Amazon or.
1:17:50 Torkil Færø: On Amazon? Yeah, on Amazon, yeah.
1:17:53 Tansy Rodgers: Okay.
1:17:54 Torkil Færø: Or. Or any book chain would be able to get them. It’s. It’s a paperback. And then as an ebook, you would be able to get it also anywhere. But also even on your iPhone or on your Android, you should be able to download it in the book app, for example.
1:18:12 Tansy Rodgers: Okay. Well, as we start to wrap this episode up, I’m curious. You’ve talked so much about your own journey and about what you’ve learned through wearable tech and what you’ve learned as a physician and just as a world traveler, what is one surprising thing that you learned about healing not from a textbook, not from a medical textbook, but from life itself? And really that. That thing that just, it just surprised you?
1:18:49 Torkil Færø: One thing I’m not sure, I think that it must be that the people who have a purpose and a reason to get up in the morning will. I can see that they are healthier than others. The people who live the life that they want to have. I can see that this has a huge effect on the general health. Maybe. I would have to say that. I’m not sure if it was a surprise, but it probably was. It was not. What? It was not on the curriculum.
1:19:30 Torkil Færø: That was maybe the first thing I noticed when I started working. Because when you, when you start working as a doctor, if you’re, you don’t really have the tools that you need when you go out there in the real world and suddenly you see or maybe the biggest surprise on the other. So that was maybe the surprise on the positive side. The big surprise on the negative side was how could one person contract 10 different diseases?
1:20:02 Torkil Færø: And so that was a big puzzle because we had learned in medical school all the diseases, but the fact that for some people, they would just add up and suddenly you would have 10 different diseases concerning 10 different specialists. But after a while, I could see that pattern. And that is this stress. That is the poor mitochondria, the poor autonomic nervous system, trauma, childhood trauma, and all this would manifest in getting diseases from across the board.
1:20:40 Torkil Færø: And that was maybe the biggest surprise for me. We didn’t really learn about that in medical school.
1:20:46 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Oh, that’s so interesting. Well, for somebody who’s new to Wearable tech and who is ready to get the ball rolling or they want to advance it and they want to dive a little bit deeper. What’s the best way to begin? But also maybe some favorite devices. You mentioned the Garmin a couple times now. Some favorite devices or places that they can explore to get that ball rolling or to deepen their experience.
1:21:16 Torkil Færø: Yeah. So by, by far the best choice is Garmin and they would also be the cheapest choice. I’m sure you will get the, for example Forerunner 165 because I’m asked all the time which which watch is best. And the. The cheapest watch that is also good enough would be forerunner165 which should cost maybe $250 if you buy a second hand, probably half of that. So it’s, it’s a good entry point. If you are an athlete, maybe you would need a more expensive watch. But for everyday people there’s massive amounts of information to get out of that. And then also I like the. The wood band is also a nice choice.
1:22:05 Torkil Færø: That will not be as invasive, but both the aura and the group are also nice. I still use all three of them so that may explain it. And they will give these numbers in a different bit different way. It will not be as invasive. It will be something you mainly check in the morning and then when you see how good recovery you have been having in during the night, you make choices on how to organize the rest of the day.
1:22:34 Torkil Færø: And for many people that’s enough. You don’t need more than that. And you can also with the boop and aura you have the advantage of putting in what you have been doing that day. And through artificial intelligence they will will give you a report on how is this working for you, whatever you’re doing. So, so it’s pros and cons of everything. But, but I think at least at this point, Garmin is by far the best one.
1:23:03 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you so much for going into so much, so much depth today and really bringing this conversation to the forefront because I didn’t realize how important, especially when it comes to the nervous system because we talk about that a lot here at the Energy Fix and we talk about it a lot in the work that I do. I didn’t realize how powerful wearables can be when it comes to nervous system regulation. So thank you so much for talking about this.
1:23:30 Tansy Rodgers: Where can people find you? Where are you hanging out and what are you promoting?
1:23:35 Torkil Færø: Right now I am hanging out at instagram mainly at Dr. Dr. Torkil, Dr. Torkill or also I’m going to speed up my, my English speaking version. I’ve been trying to mix them but, but, but it’s, it’s hard. So I also have a doc underscore Torko that I will probably use more in, in the future now which will be only an English speaking one and also have also have the postgres.com it’s a website, it’s a social website we’re building.
1:24:11 Torkil Færø: But right now at least you can see a blog and a video where I explain in detail and you can see what I’ve been talking about here. You will see the graphs and you will see how I use the Garmin watches.
1:24:26 Tansy Rodgers: Any last words that you would like to lay on the hearts of the listeners for today?
1:24:32 Torkil Færø: Yeah, that must be that. We have more control of our health than we are used to think so if you make sure that in some way that your mitochondrias are good, you have a regulated nervous system, you have less insulin resistance and less inflammation, then the chances of you living a healthy life with well being for a long time is much larger and we have control of this.
1:25:02 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you so much Torquel, for coming onto the podcast today. Sharing your wisdom, sharing your heart, sharing your passion. I appreciate appreciate you so much.
1:25:12 Torkil Færø: Thank you, thank you. It’s been a very, very nice conversation. Thank you.
1:25:17 Tansy Rodgers: So, as we wrap up this podcast episode, there’s a few things that I want you to just sit with. What might your life feel like if you let your body lead? And what if you trusted the signals, the resistance, the fatigue, not as failures, but as indentations to pivot your head. Health to change something within your health. And what if clarity didn’t come from thinking harder, but from listening deeper to what your body really needed?
1:25:48 Tansy Rodgers: Torque Hill reminded us today that healing isn’t just about bypassing discomfort. It’s about getting curious with it. It’s about reclaiming responsibility for our well being in the most empowering way possible. So I’ll leave you with this. What’s one area of your life that’s been quietly asking for your attention? And what would shift if you stopped ignoring that whisper and started responding with love?
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