The Energy Fix Episode 116 - FINAL.mp3
2025-06-02
Transcript
0:00:13 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name’s Tansy and and I’m an intuitive crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It’s time to talk all things energy. Let’s dive in. Have you ever felt like you were meant for something more but you just didn’t quite know how to access it?
0:00:47 Tansy Rodgers: Like it was right there on the tip of your tongue. It was right there in the grip of your fingertips, but it just still seemed so far away. Or maybe you’ve always been intuitive, but we’re told you need to tone it down a bit. Maybe you’re picking up emotions that aren’t yours and wondering how to ground yourself. Or maybe, just maybe, your soul is nudging you to finally trust your gifts and go for it.
0:01:16 Tansy Rodgers: If you are shaking your head to any of these, if any of this sounds like truth for you, then today’s episode is made. For today, I’m sitting down with the wise and wonderful Lisa Campion. She’s a psychic counselor, Reiki master teacher, and the author of Awakening your Psychic Ability. Lisa has trained thousands of empaths and healers and intuitives to develop their gifts, protect their energy, and walk their soul path with confidence.
0:01:49 Tansy Rodgers: This isn’t a fluffy conversation. It is really rooted and real and deeply validating for anyone who’s ever felt too sensitive or too much. I’m using air quotes here. Too sensitive or too much. But first, let’s just talk real quick about what’s happening behind the scenes. You know, I love keeping you abreast of everything that’s going on and I like to do that right here in the beginning so that you can hone in and mark your calendars.
0:02:19 Tansy Rodgers: So this coming week, and if you are listening to this when the episode comes out, this coming weekend, Saturday, June 7th, I am going to be at Pride Fest in Allentown, Pennsylvania with my jewelry and crystal tools. If you are in the area, swing by, soak up the high vibes, come say hi. I’d love to connect in person. I would love to say hi and meet another listener of the podcast that always makes me so happy.
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0:03:27 Tansy Rodgers: So, yes, let’s make this fun. You get a gift from me for a positive review, allowing other listeners to see how you’re benefiting from the show and how you would recommend it out, or what are your favorite parts. You can get crazy and clever with it and just allow people to see your soul shine of how you’re really enjoying the show. I appreciate it so much. Okay, let’s take a deep breath, get cozy, go and grab your favorite cup of coffee or tea or drink of choice, and let’s just really sink into this conversation with Lisa.
0:04:11 Tansy Rodgers: Let’s dive in.
0:04:14 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome to the Energy Fix podcast. Lisa, thank you so much for being here today.
0:04:20 Lisa Campion: Thank you, Tansy. I’m so excited to be on your podcast. Thank you for having me.
0:04:23 Tansy Rodgers: You’re so welcome. Well, as I love to open up each and every podcast, getting to know you, getting to know you more intimately and where you’re at in this season of your life, what’s inspiring you? Is there a word or a phrase that you’re really connecting to right now?
0:04:43 Lisa Campion: I love that question, Tansy. And yes, you know, I just turned 60 this year, and I think my word. So I think about this word of the year thing. It’s something that I love to do for myself. And my word of the year is savor. To really savor. I think I’m at a stage in my life where I’m savoring all the sweet moments of life. And there are many, you know, like, just. It could be as simple as that first feeling of, like, today, that first feeling of, like, the spring sunshine on your skin or, you know, I don’t know, the daffodils are coming up after a really long winter here in New England, and I. I think, slowing down for me, slowing down and really noticing and taking pleasure from just the millions of little sweet moments that happen throughout the day. That’s.
0:05:34 Lisa Campion: That’s really it for me. Even, like, savoring this conversation and this opportunity to meet you and chat with you and be on your podcast. Like, there. I’m lucky that there’s a lot to savor about my life, so I’m really leaning into that and feeling it.
0:05:49 Tansy Rodgers: And so I feel like right now, this year in particular, 2025, is a year of transformation and growth. And possibilities and new things opening up. But also, I feel like people are shifting and changing as a collective as well. Right. I mean, we talk about that a lot on this show. Things are shifting and changing. And so that wor. Savor, I think, is so beautiful and so perfectly aligned to where we’re at right now.
0:06:22 Tansy Rodgers: As things maybe get complicated in life, because it’s life and it gets complicated, how do you continue to savor the moments? How do you stay in the moment when life is demanding you otherwise?
0:06:38 Lisa Campion: I think for me, it’s a. It’s a process of, like, mindfulness, like, learning how to keep my mind in the present moment, you know, and as. And I. I learned because I. I had pretty bad anxiety. I had really bad postpartum depression. I have three kids. My kids are all adults now, and after they were born, I had pretty horrible postpartum depression, but it was more like postpartum anxiety. I didn’t know you could have that, but you can trust me.
0:07:05 Lisa Campion: And so I studied mindfulness as a way, as a cure for that kind of anxiety, and it really stuck with me, you know, and it’s like training your mind to stay in the present moment. And then. And I do that. I also spend a lot of time in the morning, every morning, like, getting myself in the right head space. So that’s meditating, journaling, tapping, breathing, checking in with myself, doing all. Clearing my energy, doing my energy, hygiene, like, doing all the things that I have to do to kind of feel myself.
0:07:37 Lisa Campion: I’m like, wait a minute. Where. Where am I? Who am I? Am I okay? Like, all the things. Doing some inner child work, which is one of my topics. And then I get to a point where I feel pretty good. And Sometimes it takes 10 minutes, sometimes it takes an hour. And I just. I do it until I get there, till I hit sort of this joyful place. Then when I fall out of that during the day, I kind of. If I can sort of stop what I’m doing and I attend to myself, you know?
0:08:07 Lisa Campion: Like, my newest book, Tansy, that I’m working on right now is called Sacred Reparenting. It’s inner child work. And I just live and breathe by inner child work. I do it every single day on myself. So I’m like, how are you? You know, are you okay in there? It’s kind of my. My what I say. And. And then I get. If I attend to myself in the moment, then I just sort of naturally go back to that happy, joyful place.
0:08:34 Lisa Campion: And. And that’s kind of how I also, it takes a lot, I feel like it takes a lot of energy to maintain a high level of consciousness. So usually take a nap about halfway through the day because I’m like, I need to reset. I need to just close my eyes for 20 minutes and then it kind of gives me a little wind in my sails for the second half of my day. So I really, I think it’s my first priority. I think the answer is it’s, it’s what I do as a first priority in my own being.
0:09:08 Lisa Campion: And I can do that because my kids are grown up. I don’t, you know, I’m not having to attend to other people, people’s needs for the most part before my own, although I have done that. But I do, I do think that’s the answer is like really make it, I make it my first priority and then really do it.
0:09:26 Tansy Rodgers: And so prioritizing. I, I love this point of conversation because there are many listeners here that are highly sensitive people that are empathic, that also are neurodivergent brains and they are extra sensitive as well. And so when we live in that world, it is incredibly important to prioritize our energy, prioritize the things that are important to us, to prioritize our brain health and where we allow our, our levels of consciousness to really sit and thrive. Because like you said, it takes so much more energy to thrive and live there.
0:10:14 Lisa Campion: Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And I think that also means like, I’m really careful about what I, what I consume media wise. You know, like, I try not to doom scroll. I try not to, you know, do the things like really violent TV shows. And as, as an empath too. Like, I know that I can, I work really hard to keep my vibe pretty high and it can go really low in a short amount of time if I’m consuming the wrong kind of media.
0:10:44 Lisa Campion: Do you know what I mean? And so I really just, I’m very, it’s sort of like I’m super careful about what I eat and I’m super careful about what I’m taking in, what I’m taking into myself through all the channels to kind of really guard that.
0:10:59 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, yeah, I can, I can appreciate that there, there was a specific moment in my life when I realized that I could no longer, really consciously, for a longer period of time, sink in and consume a lot of heavy dramas, violence in shows. I really had to step away from that and keep things a little bit more light hearted and honoring my own sensitivity because it just didn’t work. And I didn’t realize it because I was masking so much, but yeah.
0:11:36 Lisa Campion: Yeah.
0:11:38 Tansy Rodgers: So let’s talk about that moment for you, Lisa. The first time that we know something is maybe different that we couldn’t explain. Maybe we feel this energy shift in the room. Like there’s just something happening along the way of our journey in life where you consciously realized that there is that shift. What was the earliest memory of tapping into your psychic gifts? And did you know what was actually happening at that point, especially with you being sensitive and, and maybe having anything that you needed to work through, obstacle wise?
0:12:22 Lisa Campion: Yeah, you know, I was born in the 60s and growing up just outside of Boston, and I was, I was born psychic, which is so weird, but it’s really true. And it’s true. I think it’s true because my twin brother died in utero. And so I was one of those vanishing twins, you know, and actually my very first memory is that. I know it sounds nuts to think that you can. I think it was around 14 weeks and I know it sounds nuts to think you can remember something from that point when you’re.
0:12:53 Lisa Campion: You’re just really like a little bundle of cells, you know? But I do, I remember it and I remember this kind of pain of him going and that feeling of death. And I feel. So. It’s a very weird place to start from, Tansy. It’s like I. I knew death before I knew life, you know, And I think it happened. So I was born psychic. You know how twinsies have that connection. And then he went over. So I was born that way.
0:13:21 Lisa Campion: My very first memory is lying in my crib and having all these like, beings of light, like standing around the crib and all there’s all this light and glitter and sparkle and they’re like blowing kisses. And then the door opens and my mom walks in the room and they all disappear. That’s my very first memory. Another one was, thank you for asking this question, by the way. It’s so fun to, to talk about it.
0:13:46 Lisa Campion: And the other one was being like probably four or five, and I was playing with, quote, my imaginary friend talking to somebody in the corner. And my mom came in, she goes, lisa, she just always told me I. My parents were hippies, so I was lucky that they didn’t squish me, you know, but. Or take. Drag me to the church and throw holy water on me. But they, they didn’t know what to do. And I was always told it was my imagination, right?
0:14:10 Lisa Campion: So, Lisa, who are you talking to? And I say, I’m talking to my dead brother William. And my mom just like dropped the glass she was carrying and like ran screaming out of the room, you know, And I, I, I didn’t know until I was much older that there had been, you know, another baby. So I didn’t know that. And I didn’t know, you know, my dad’s name was William. Everyone called him Bill. And I know for sure, like my parents, I didn’t know when I was four.
0:14:40 Lisa Campion: But I know now for sure if they, there had actually been a son, he would have been, he would have been William. So that I don’t know, like, how do you, and this was the 60s, 70s and 80s when I was growing up. This wasn’t a conversation you could have. It wasn’t something that was really okay to talk about it. You know, if you saw angels and talked to dead Uncle Fred, there was, there was only one place for you. It was the, was the mental hospital.
0:15:07 Lisa Campion: And, and I knew that I had to be quiet about it. So I spent a lot of my life totally hear what you said about the neurodivergent. I think all psychics and sensitives are, you know, have differently wired brains. And so I was just trying really hard to be, pretend to be normal in public and figure out what the heck was going on. There were no really books in the library. There was no, you know, psychics on tv. There was no Internet.
0:15:37 Lisa Campion: There was no beautiful podcast like you have. Like, there was, you know, I was just like, what the heck is going on here? So I think the first 20 years of my life I was starting, there was also no word for empath, right. And I, but I distinctly remember the moment that I figured out that that was going on. Um, and I, I started working as a psychic when I was 19. That was back in the 80s. And I don’t know why. You just do, you know, you just think you can do things when you’re 19, so you do them right. That’s really how that went. So I, I don’t have really any experience of not being this way.
0:16:13 Lisa Campion: Does that make sense?
0:16:15 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, it does make a lot of sense. And I find it interesting too that you said that you knew that you had to be quiet about it, like you didn’t talk about it or tell anybody. But at 19, you started working as a psychic. And so I’m curious how all of that transpired. How did you allow that gift, those gifts to grow without pushing them away? Number one, because, you know, especially if kids in school get a whiff that there’s something different.
0:16:50 Lisa Campion: I know.
0:16:51 Tansy Rodgers: Boy, that can be so, so stifling of those gifts. But then also, what made you come out of the proverbial closet, as they say, into this psychic world and really own it?
0:17:04 Lisa Campion: Well, there was two things there. And one of them was when I was like, I don’t know, I must have been about 12, I went to see the movie Poltergeist in the movie theater. And it was such a life changing moment for me because they had a psychic in there and this woman, and she was a psychic and. And she said, you know, talked a little bit about what happened when you die and why people got stuck so that she knew something. And I. It sort of started this, like, lifelong love. I have a. Paranormal movies, horror movies and ghost stories because I was like, oh, oh my God, somebody knows something. And I started like, obsessively watching.
0:17:42 Lisa Campion: I got a very strange, like, paranormal metaphysical education from Hollywood. And so I’m sitting in this movie theater, I’m like, you can do that. She’s a professional. Like, you could do that. I’m gonna do that. I just. I just decided I was gonna do that. And then it was 1980, 82, I went to college and it was the dawn of the new age, thank God. I mean, that was. All of a sudden, there were books, there were New age bookstores, there were people writing about it, there were courses you could take. I got a teacher, you know, I got a job working in a new age bookstore in Northampton, Massachusetts. And I.
0:18:24 Lisa Campion: I worked there for the time that I was in college. And I studied. I started studying with somebody, you know. So it was at that point where I finally got sort of the actual training that I needed. And we did, you know, a mentorship kind of program. And so I. But at that time I felt like I had some guidance, you know, And I don’t know, it was. I was. I just started working then and I also quickly learned that I didn’t know enough.
0:18:55 Lisa Campion: So when I graduated from university, I went back to school and became. Studied therapy and became a therapist because I just didn’t have like my. Like, I was a pretty good psychic, but I didn’t know how to really help people. So I was like, somebody cried in my office and I was like, I don’t know what to do. So I’m like, oh my God, what do I do now? So I went back to school and became a therapist. My mother was a therapist. It was sort of in my blood.
0:19:21 Lisa Campion: And that. That was a really great combination. Like, that training served me well. Throughout the many years that I’ve been doing psychic work, I think that’s a.
0:19:31 Tansy Rodgers: Beautiful combination because not only can you learn to understand the connection of the human to human brain, but then you also have those gifts to be able to step outside of that and be able to deliver it in a way that is relatable and also will be heard, hopefully by the person. Right.
0:19:52 Lisa Campion: Yeah, exactly. And my training as a therapist brought me to a place where I realized my, my allegiance is to the living person. Like my, I’m here to help and support the, the person who’s in my office. And whatever I have, I have to deliver. Whatever messages I’m delivering as a psychic needs to be done in a way where they’re getting helped and not getting hurt, you know, not being harmed. So I just think it gave me, like, sort of sensitivity, you know, how are you feeling about that? And can we talk about that? And, you know, like, let’s cry if you need to cry. Like, all the things that knowing is that what I learned as a therapist, that really made me, I feel like, be able to support and, and really assist my clients to sort of a healing, you know, not just, I’m just going to deliver the message, but we’re, we’re going to do a healing here.
0:20:51 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Because honestly, that’s what it’s all about. This information. It’s not just about getting answers or having the information. It’s about what do you do with it.
0:21:02 Lisa Campion: Right.
0:21:02 Tansy Rodgers: And how do you use it to better your life in this life?
0:21:06 Lisa Campion: That’s right.
0:21:06 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. You know, and I kind of was chuckling to myself when you talked about, we stepped into the new Age, and all of a sudden there’s New Age books and the bookstores. And I, I know people complain, but honestly, thank God for some of the exploitation of the metaphysical stuff because it makes my life easier and the things that I’m into, it makes it more accessible. And I also think that it opens up the eyes to other people around to become more curious.
0:21:35 Lisa Campion: Yeah. I mean, I feel like it was, it was sort of a really important, at least for me and people of my generation, like, stopping point on the evolution of, of, you know, the shift that we’re in. Right. So we needed to open up the conversation. We needed to sort of normalize it. And even back then, I, I never really would never consider myself a New Ager or sort of bought the whole story, book line and sinker.
0:22:00 Lisa Campion: But I was always super grateful for the opening of the conversation. Let’s talk about metaphysics. Let’s talk about psychic abilities. Let’s talk about divination and guides and angels and crystals and all the things. Talk about reincarnation and life after death. And, you know, I think it brought metaphysics, whatever you believe, and there’s so many different things to believe, but it brought that conversation in, into the open world in a way that never had, never had been. So I feel like it was a very important, significant marker in our evolution, our metaphysical, spiritual and consciousness evolution. So I’m so grateful, you know, brought people together, brought teachers and people, you know, still read the classics that were, you know, brought forth during that time.
0:22:52 Lisa Campion: And I think, you know, that was quite a long time ago. And we’ve evolved our, Our knowing, our. Our. I’ve evolved my metaphysical beliefs quite a bit, you know, since that time. And so to me, it’s just this one stop on the evolutionary process here, but an important one.
0:23:10 Tansy Rodgers: And what are your specific psychic gifts that you work with?
0:23:14 Lisa Campion: You know, I think that I’m really like a soul reader. So I always say I’m not a medium, but mediumship happens because it, you know, does. But, you know, I think my gift is really to understand who you are at the level of your soul. That means who you. Your essential nature, who you were before you got here, that continuing narrative of your soul’s evolution. So we might think about, like, your past lives, where you were before you got here. What is your life purpose? What do you. What are you meant to do here?
0:23:48 Lisa Campion: What blocks or challenges or obstacles do you have to that. What is the nature of your relationship with your people, you know, your soul, family? What are you. What are you meant to do next? Who are your guides? Who are. Who’s your team? You know, and then of course, you know, that looking at that lens, I, we. You know, I’ve done so many sessions during the last 40 years that that’s been. That I’ve really talked about anything like health, money, relationships, all the things that people, People.
0:24:23 Lisa Campion: Most of the people come to me are either their experience a crisis. I work a lot with people that are having a sudden psychic opening or who feel really stuck and can’t. Don’t know how to proceed, you know, on their path. We’re all. I feel like we’re all at a bit of a crossroads, really. Tansy, don’t you? Like, it’s like everyone’s changing. The world is at a crossroads. Humanity is at a crossroads. And having some guidance from your spirit team or from your higher self at moments when we’re in those crossroad points can be very, I think, empowering.
0:24:55 Lisa Campion: So that. That’s really my. What I love to do, to see. And it’s so incredible. I’m just so, like, blown away and inspired by humanity and the readings that. I do feel a bit like Christmas morning, like unwrapping a present and seeing, like, oh, my God, look at this person’s being this, you know, like, wow. It. It’s. I don’t know, it just never. I never get tired of, I don’t know, the beauty. The beauty of humanity and also the.
0:25:27 Lisa Campion: The predicaments we get ourselves into along our way. But that. That’s. That’s kind of. Does that make sense that that’s the angle that I. That I really experience through it?
0:25:40 Tansy Rodgers: It does, yeah. And. And I feel like more than ever, that’s exactly what’s needed right now. That soul reading, that connecting in and helping people to understand what their soul wants to accomplish in this lifetime and how to learn from the other knowledge that the soul has. Especially right now, because more people are coming online, right? More people are probably clairvoyant or clear seeing. More people are probably clair.
0:26:15 Tansy Rodgers: Audience or clear hearing. Claire cognizant, clear knowing. But they just don’t know it because they don’t know the words per se or what to expect with that. But having somebody to be able to bridge that for them as they are waking up to something bigger than maybe they’ve ever possibly known, I think is incredibly important right now.
0:26:37 Lisa Campion: It’s so. It’s so important, and I’m really, really committed to it. I mean, I had to do it the hard way, like, alone, nobody, nobody. No help, no books in the library, no teachers, like, nothing, you know, and it kind of sucked. Honestly, it was really pretty challenging. And so if I can help other people, I. I love to think of myself as a mentor, like a psychic mentor. If I can help other people who are experiencing their gifts, waking. Waking up, go through it in a more graceful way than I did, that’s really good. That’s what I’m here for.
0:27:09 Lisa Campion: And. And I see it happen a lot. You know, people are. I think it’s the overall shift in consciousness that we’re going through, you know, wakes us up. I think. We do some plant medicine. We study Reiki, we do yoga or meditation. Like yoga, Reiki, meditation are sort of the gateway. The gateways to a larger spiritual world. And they’re so thankfully so available to us now. So, you know, so many people are there feeling their soul’s calling to become a Healer. I also teach Reiki.
0:27:38 Lisa Campion: I’ve been a reiki practitioner for 26 years now, and I work a lot with people who are like, oh, I feel that calling. I. I know I came here to help. I know I’m a sensitive, an empath, a healer, and my skills are coming online. I don’t know what to do. That’s where I really love to help.
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0:29:11 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you for it. And so, okay, say that person steps into your office, that person that you just described, that person who’s curious. They know they’re coming online. They know they’re supposed to do something deeper. Maybe they’re trying to learn to trust their intuition. What would you say to somebody who is curious about developing their intuition but doubts that maybe they have any quote, unquote, real abilities?
0:29:38 Tansy Rodgers: Even though we all have abilities? Yeah.
0:29:41 Lisa Campion: Yeah. Well, abilities is the right word. And my book on this is called Awakening your psychic abilities. That’s the book that I wrote on this topic. And I really feel like, you know, ability is like musical ability or athletic ability. We all have some, right? We all have. And, and we understand when we’re thinking about athletics or musical ability that we have to work it. We. There’s this weird myth around the psychic stuff and the spiritual stuff that we look at, the psychics, you know, the, the professionals and the people on TV or whose books we read, and we somehow think they magically just got there and they didn’t work for It. And that’s not the case.
0:30:18 Lisa Campion: You know, just like if you look at a professional musician, a professional athlete, you know, they worked it, and they continue to work it to get to that level. And you can, too. Anyone can, if they’re willing to put in the work, to do the work. You got to know some stuff. You have to have the right knowledge set. Yeah, I think it’s really helpful to have a teacher, a mentor, to have a community, a group. You got to practice all those things. Can. Whatever you’ve got, we can take it and.
0:30:46 Lisa Campion: And. And polish your skills to kind of get them to whatever level you want them to be. If you’re. If you. If you have the time and inclination to want to do it.
0:30:55 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And so, okay, as that person starts to expand, as we accept and step into these abilities that we have and we’re starting to hone them, inevitably there is this need to bring in some more energetic boundaries. Right. Especially if you identify with being an empath or a highly sensitive. And by the way, I just want to say what you said earlier about pretty much everybody that is sensitive or neurodivergent brains are probably highly connected in. I agree with you.
0:31:32 Tansy Rodgers: I see it over and over and over again. So. So I would love to know where the first place somebody could start in creating some of those energetic boundaries if they are feeling like they get drained, overwhelmed, or maybe even are a little scared as they start to open up.
0:31:52 Lisa Campion: Yeah, it is really scary to open up if you don’t have good boundaries. And I. The first thing that I do well, really, the first thing that I do often is address people’s fear, because I think that it’s important to talk about that and to address that. It’s my first topic in my book. It’s the first class I teach in my programs to really look at what we’re afraid of, because so many people have deep fear around our psychic abilities.
0:32:17 Lisa Campion: Maybe we had terrible experiences as a child. So many people did. I work a lot with people that have, like, even serious PTSD around, their experience, their psychic experiences, like the creepy thing that was under your bed or that spirit that was walking up and down your hallway or what, the monster in the closet? Well, all the things, you know, we might have to really unpack that or. Or what society says you might grow up in a family or a culture or a region of our country where, you know, that it’s just not okay. They’re gonna. They really are gonna drag you to the church and throw holy water on you, you know, where that’s the devil or you know, we, we kind of have to unpack the fears I think before we start. And, and, and there that that’s. It’s not to be underestimated how big a deal that is, because for a lot of us that we, it’s. You gotta take your foot off the brake, you know, and to understand that it’s, you know, I really, really deeply believe these gifts are sacred.
0:33:17 Lisa Campion: They’re meant especially as for us healer types. They’re part of our toolkit. We there we. They weren’t even this gift of empathy wasn’t given to you to torture you, even though it can feel like that and does feel like that. But as we learn, as we accept it, as we learn those boundaries, we can see that those are the toolkits of healers, that all those gifts are meant to. For us to help other people to first of all navigate through our, our own life.
0:33:46 Lisa Campion: And there’s super handy for that right about now. We need that in the world right when we don’t. Can’t see what’s coming next and to be of service to others. So that is, I think, the very, very, very first thing that we need to start with. Then we can sort of move into the conversation about boundaries and such an, an excellent, you know, thing. I wrote a whole book about that too called Energy Healing for Empaths that’s really geared towards the. My fellow sensitives and that’s all about.
0:34:18 Lisa Campion: I always start with sort of psychic hygiene, like how the first boundaries are in our own energy field and learning how to ground ourselves. Empaths tend to leave their body. We tend to dissociate, especially when the going gets tough or there’s a weird energy around. We just learn, we just leave. So we have to come back in. We have to be embodied. We have to be connected to the earth. We have to clear the energy that we pick up from other people. Because sensitive, psychic, sensitive healer types, we’re like sponges. And we absorb the energy that’s around us, other people. Psychic energy, feelings, emotions, physical pain, all of it.
0:34:55 Lisa Campion: Which is why like you get halfway through Costco, I get halfway through Costco and I’m like curled up on the floor and the fetal position, I can’t remember my name or where I parked my car, you know, why am I even here? You know, so we, you know, just even function in the world. We need to have that and we have to release the energy and that that we picked up from other people and we have to reset our field like we have to have protections. And that to me, it’s the outer edge of our energy field. If you’re sensitive, it’s like a sponge. We need to strengthen it so that there’s really a solid boundary between us and the world.
0:35:40 Lisa Campion: And when we do that, it’s sort of the difference between not being able to leave your house and actually being able to go to Costco, you know, and. Or not being able to manage sitting on an airplane, which is still pretty hard for me, or handle your family during Thanksgiving, or see clients, or visit your mom in the hospital or all the things like that. Just had to do all these things, right? And if, you know, I want everybody, all the sensitives to feel functional, to feel masterful, to not feel victimized and dug under by their sensitivity.
0:36:17 Lisa Campion: And we can, until we learn that energy management, I want everybody to feel, to feel like ninjas, like boundary setting ninjas. So we, we have what it takes to go out there and save the world, because that’s really what we’re meant to do, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
0:36:33 Tansy Rodgers: Oh, I love that. Well, first, I love, I love when I asked the question about the energetic boundaries, one of the first thing that, the first steps you said is addressing the fear. And I, I’m going to be honest, I never thought about that. I think that that’s brilliant. And I got it. I have to share just a real quick story to solidify that and to see how that even connected into my brain. So when I was young, I was probably maybe like 10, 11 years old. I’ve always been connected into.
0:37:09 Tansy Rodgers: I just didn’t have. I had no words for it. I didn’t know, right. So probably around 10 or 11, I remember I was in my bedroom at night. I shut the lights off, I ran to my bed because I was always scared because I was never alone, in all honesty, right. I ran to my bed, I got under my covers and I was laying there, and for some reason, I decided to lift my arm and put it up above my head. My desk was right behind my bed and I felt something furry and fuzzy.
0:37:43 Tansy Rodgers: Lisa. There was nothing there. There was nothing on my desk. And I will tell you, I was so freaked out, I forced myself to turn the light back on because I needed to see what I was touching. There was nothing there that would represent what I felt on my hand. And so this has haunted me for years. I’m 47 now, all right? So this has haunted me for years, decades of my life, and I’ve never forgotten that feeling, that fear that I felt Wanting to know what the heck did I put my hand on.
0:38:23 Tansy Rodgers: And so a couple years ago, I had a QHHT session and I got taken back and my. And in this session, there was time allotted for my higher self to come through. And so when I prepped questions to ask, this is one of the questions I wanted to know what was I touching? And my higher self came through and just basically said, oh, dear Tansy, there is nothing for you to be afraid of. That was merely one of your helpers and guides just making sure you were safe because you were scared.
0:38:55 Lisa Campion: Yeah.
0:38:56 Tansy Rodgers: And I, I got goosebumps right now even saying that. I, I sat with that afterwards when I was coming back and re listening and I thought to myself, oh, my goodness, I feel like there is a piece of me that was just unlocked and set free because I felt so scared that there was something wrong with me for that long, you know?
0:39:20 Lisa Campion: I know, I know, I know. Me too. I had so many bizarre experiences and so many of our. I know the people who are listening have, you know, and when we don’t know what it is, we don’t know how to, you know, set. Put a context on it. We don’t know how to tell if it’s a, A, a bad entity that’s trying to hurt you or one of your spirit team, which it turned out to be like, we don’t know, like. And I think that. Oh, that. Thank you for sharing that story. It’s so relatable, you know, and, and I think so many people have had experiences like that.
0:39:54 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Well, your book, Energy Healing for Empaths, I want to. You touched on that. Now I want to just dive a little deeper into that because as we’re talking here and as I shared my story and you’ve shared your stories, we’re very empathic people, and this energy healing is so critical for us. But I feel like sometimes we don’t know that what we’re feeling isn’t ours, and we don’t know that it’s somebody else’s or something we picked up.
0:40:23 Tansy Rodgers: So can you give us some of the signs that maybe someone’s energy body is out of balance or picking up too much from other people and needs to be cleared out if we need to set these energetic boundaries or something needs to be done.
0:40:38 Lisa Campion: Yeah, the first. Thank you. First of all, you should do it every morning when you get up and. Right. And this process that I, I mean, there’s a million ways to do it. I just use a visualization and like, breath, breathing process that’s super quick. Like you can get it, get it done in about 10 breaths. Doing it before you get, you get out of bed or first thing in the morning, before you go to sleep at night and sort of as needed, like throughout the day.
0:41:04 Lisa Campion: And if you don’t do that, you’re going to feel what I call, what I call energetic overload, empathic overload. And that’s me curled up in the corner halfway through Costco, right? So we feel tired, we feel cranky, we feel spacey. Maybe there’s a headache, stomachache. Maybe you just feel totally dissociated, like numb, dizzy, angry. Like you might have to come home and like take a nap, cry and take a nap, you know, or just be by yourself.
0:41:35 Lisa Campion: So tiredness, exhaustion, fatigue, anxiety. And that’s what we feel when that sponge is full, you know? And I think you just feel terr. Feel terrible. You don’t feel like yourself, right? And like the first time it happened to me, I was in college, was in the early 80s and I went to a big. Went to a big State School, UMass Amherst Giant State College. And I was at. I went to a house party, so excited.
0:42:05 Lisa Campion: And I got there and I sat next to this guy. He was like having a really bad day. He’s crying into his beer and telling me his whole story. Cause you know when you’re an empath, like everybody walks up to you and tells you their whole life story. Like little old ladies in the supermarket, you’ve never met them before and they’re, they’re telling you their whole thing.
0:42:20 Tansy Rodgers: Like you have a big sign on your forehead.
0:42:22 Lisa Campion: It’s like, tell me and tell Free therapy. Tell me anything, you know, so this guy’s like crying on my shoulder and all of a sudden I felt terrible. I was like depressed. I was in pain. I was like almost like suicidally depressed in like five minutes. And I was like, what is wrong with me? I’m clearly crazy. There is something like drastically wrong with me. I’m like, not a normal human. I gotta leave, so I gotta go home. I don’t. I’m. I don’t know what to do. Like, who? I had no idea. So I. Anyway, I got up and I left. And it was sort of one of those like divine timing moments. I swear my spirit guides grabbed my head and they turned my head. They made me look through the window of this house and I could see the guy still crying into his beer at the party.
0:43:05 Lisa Campion: And all of a sudden I felt fine, totally fine. And I. In that moment, I realized it wasn’t me. It wasn’t me. I was like, oh, not me. I’m actually okay.
0:43:19 Tansy Rodgers: And, and the house was your, the house was your inner self. Was that what that was representing?
0:43:24 Lisa Campion: The house was just like the separation. It was just like the separation. Like I got away from him and then I felt like myself again. You know, I was like, I picked up like that terrible depressed feeling. Wasn’t me, that was him. And as soon as I got far enough away, I felt like myself again. But I just. Because I looked through the window, I could see him. I was like, I put the pieces together that what I was feeling wasn’t me. And this was back before there was any conversation about, you know, the highly sensitive person. That didn’t happen until the 90s. It’s, it’s brilliant work. And you know, God bless, God bless the lady who came up with that because that was, it’s brilliant.
0:44:04 Lisa Campion: But that was before that. And then I knew from that point I knew I needed psychic self defense. I was also studying martial arts and so I like the idea of psychic self defense. I learned a lot about it when I was studying martial arts. And I just knew like it was also like new age time there. So we, I learned some really good basic, like get in your bubble. Get in your bubble. And the bubble really works. The bubble is the, the bubble is the outside edge of your energy field.
0:44:32 Lisa Campion: You know, and when we have a, when we’re an empath, it’s like a sponge. But we can train it to be more solid and non empathic people. They’re outside at their boundary layer of their energy field is naturally solid, which is why they like, you know, they like movies with scary movies or they like being in crowds or they enjoy like the amusement park or, you know, that that’s really fun for them because they’re, they’re like tanks. Like things don’t get in them like they do with, with a sensitive people.
0:45:06 Lisa Campion: So. But we can change that. We can change our, our spongy nature to be more boundaried naturally. And when we do that, the world opens up in some really powerful ways.
0:45:20 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, because too, Lisa, when you don’t clear yourself out, that sponge is really full and you’re holding on to everything around you. It pulls you away from your natural sense of intuition and knowing and understanding. Yeah. And you feel terrible and you’ll get sick.
0:45:38 Lisa Campion: Yeah. Eventually you’ll have pain. Like you’ll get ill. You’ll have, you know, autoimmune problems and all kinds of issues come up. So Chemical sensitivities and, you know, environmental sensitivities. So as we get better boundary and, you know, we become less porous to everything in the world. Right. And less vulnerable. So then we can really do what we came here to do.
0:46:02 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And so what would you say are some of your favorite practices for really helping people to reconnect with their inner guidance, their abilities, their. Their empathic ways? Especially as they start this process of clearing themselves out regularly, knowing that they’re within their own energy and getting that practice.
0:46:27 Lisa Campion: Well, I. Once you’ve got your boundaries down, I love the psychic journal. I used to tell people to. To go out and get a journal, get a composition notebook and write psychic journal on it. Then I published one because it, it, it, it is such a good idea. But if you get a psychic journal, just start writing down all the dreams that you have. If you have signs and omens, if you pull cards, divination cards.
0:46:53 Lisa Campion: If you. The first time you meet somebody and you have that, like, first impression, that’s a really great psychic experience. All the hunches and nudges and signs and omens, write them all down because they’re so ephemeral, they’re so even, like in the moment, it can be like, oh, my God, that was such a big deal. Like a dream. You can wake up in the morning and you’re like, that was the most profound dream I’ve ever had. If you don’t write it down within a few minutes, you forgot about it. A few days, you forgot about it. So I think beginning to record everything in a psychic journal puts our concentration on it. It creates a container for it, and what we pay attention to gets bigger. You’re going to be amazed right out of the gate how psychic you already are if you do that.
0:47:34 Lisa Campion: And it’ll kind of. You’ll. You’ll be like, oh, my God. You’ll be able to give yourself psychic brownie points when you had this inner knowing that something was going to happen and then it did. And you, you’re like, I knew that was gonna happen. It was in my journal. Otherwise we forget, you know? So that’s sort of my number one tip right off the bat. I think the other thing is that we really need to do, especially in this day and age, is to make time to listen.
0:48:00 Lisa Campion: We need to take some time out of our busy lives, out of the noise, and to be kind of quiet when we’re quiet. Maybe when you walk the dog, don’t turn on the podcast or the music. Just be quiet. Quiet. Walking, when you’re folding laundry, when you’re taking a shower, when you’re just lying, staring out the window, watching the grass grow. Take quiet moments, and those activities tend to shift us into the alpha state.
0:48:27 Lisa Campion: The alpha brain wave is our when we’re. The most intuitive and really great exercise to do is write a question in your journal. If you have a specific question or what do I need to know right now? You know then. Then just go watch the grass grow for a minute or wash your dishes quietly and see what. Because your brain wave will. Your brain state will shift into that alpha state and see what arises. Then you’re going to pay attention to what you feel, what you hear, what you smell, what you think you know, what you know, what you see. All of your psychic senses something’s going to arise into that quiet space that gives you the answer to your question.
0:49:07 Lisa Campion: But if we’re never quiet, we miss a lot.
0:49:10 Tansy Rodgers: You know those moments when your energy just feels off, like you’re carrying emotions that aren’t even yours, or your body’s buzzing, but you can’t quite ground yourself. Or maybe. Maybe your intuition is speaking up, but the noise in your system makes it hard to hear. That’s where energy healing becomes more than just a practice. It becomes a homecoming. It brings you back to your center, to who you really are by clearing away the chaos and the clutter and the noise.
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0:50:51 Tansy Rodgers: I can’t wait to see you on the table.
0:50:54 Tansy Rodgers: That, I think, is one of the most valuable tips in. In. In being able to connect to your intuition and to any abilities is just to simply making time for being quiet. And I Shouldn’t say making time because like you said, you can do it while you’re doing the dishes or folding the laundry or in the shower. It’s really about just being purposeful and being quiet. Because that’s when. That’s when the messages do come in.
0:51:24 Lisa Campion: That’s right. And if you don’t have time to meditate, you know, not everybody does or can or wants to. I mean, I love a meditation. Like, my hippie parents took me to transcendental meditation when I was 10.
0:51:34 Tansy Rodgers: That’s amazing.
0:51:35 Lisa Campion: God bless them. Because that’s what you did when you were a hippie in 1974. But, you know, but not everybody does do that. But we still can make that quiet time. And. And then. So we have to make quiet time and then we sort of have to pay attention. This is the other thing, because a lot of us really dismiss our. You know, have. I’ve seen people have, like, massive psychic experiences and just brush it off like it’s no big deal.
0:51:59 Lisa Campion: Oh, that whole thing, that’s just. What? That can’t be. Psych. You have to be really special to be psychic. That’s the thing that happens to me ten times a day. Or, you know, everyone can do that in they. There’s a lot of dismissing because we compare ourselves to other people. So number one rule, don’t compare. Number two rule is, drop your expectations. Because when we open if it. You know, a lot of people think it’s not psychic if they don’t see something.
0:52:30 Lisa Campion: And somehow it’s become synonymous with psychic and seeing and it’s really not. We have a lot of psychic senses, and when we open. So I say shift your vocabulary to perceive and experience. What did you perceive? What did you experience? Opens us to exploring all of the different psychic senses we have. So. And it’s so exciting to do that because there’ll be so much. There’ll be so much that you experience that way.
0:52:53 Lisa Campion: So we don’t compare. We drop our expectations. We make time to listen. We write it all down in a journal in our journals. We can keep track of it. And then we have to. We also have to act on it at least a little bit. I’m not saying, like, every crazy little whim because I’ve seen people go too far in that direction. But, you know, enough. We have to sort of put our money where our mouth is a little bit and.
0:53:20 Lisa Campion: And really act on our. If your guidance is screaming to you that you shouldn’t trust this person, then don’t. Don’t trust them. You know, What I mean like act on that. And if we ignore the little things, then it sort of closes us off to the bigger psychic experiences, you know. So I think that’s kind of my basic formula. If you, if we do that. I love divination cards. I think they’re great. I love like pendulum or, or divination rods too. Can be super helpful to give us confirmation.
0:53:51 Lisa Campion: All those things will help us confirm our psychic hits. So if something’s coming into your room, this is a very common experience. You wake up in the middle of the night. You feel like something’s in the room with you. Your first, your first hit is, oh, it’s Uncle Fred. He’s just stopping by for a visit. Uncle Fred. And then you go, oh crap, what if it’s not? What if it’s something scary? What if I’m wrong? What if it’s a, a horrible thing from that horror movie that I saw the other day?
0:54:19 Lisa Campion: You know, we go down the rabbit hole of doubt and this is a great time to get out your pendulum and ask your pendulum. You can also muscle test yes, no. Was that Uncle Fred? You can get a yes, no, I don’t know out of your pendulum and having that feedback. Well, what’s Uncle Fred’s message? You pull some divinity. You pull some oracle cards, you know, and that kind of feedback in the moment can really help us learn how to trust our individual like our senses and our experiences when we’re having them.
0:54:47 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And so there’s something I want to highlight that you said, you said drop the expectations. I think it’s really important to remember to not pinch it. Pigeonhole your abilities. Because we all have abilities that come in in different ways. It’s important to be able to honor that. Right?
0:55:06 Lisa Campion: Yeah. Yes. And not comparing, not comparing and dropping our expectations. If you, if you are open to how you’re going to perceive there, what’s going to happen. Spirit is so much bigger than our little minds are. Like our ego self just becomes control freaks around this thing. You know, we, we want to have it our way. And spirit has a different plan. Your higher self does. Your spirit guides do. It’s usually better than whatever we can cook up on our own. You know what I mean?
0:55:34 Lisa Campion: So we need to kind of be in a little bit in the flow of that. And I, I also think like then we start paying attention to the signs and omens that are around us too. Right. You know, so let’s say you, you start working with your angels. You’re pulling some angel cards, you’re Taking time to listen, watch for the signs and omens around us. Because when we, we first get into that deep connection with our guides, they’re going to give us confirmation through signs and omens. Maybe they drop feathers. Maybe they are their pennies. Maybe there’s something cardinals or, or I don’t know what’s so unique.
0:56:11 Lisa Campion: The songs that play on the radio or even what’s coming across your Facebook feed. Right. Can reflect back to us and confirm our own intuition. And we definitely need these. These. Whether it’s cards or pendulums or signs and omens, we need that reflection back while we’re learning how to trust that our intuition is real.
0:56:33 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, we’re always being spoken to. Well, speaking of always being spoken to, I want to talk now a little bit about how you have started to fuse together the psychic abilities and the Reiki into the psychic Reiki world. And then knowing that that can not only enhance the healing, but also, also open up your spiritual growth and your spiritual work. So how, how is that unique and how has it helped to support the people that you work with?
0:57:09 Lisa Campion: Yeah, that was my first book. I wrote a book called the Art of Psychic Reiki, came out in 2018. And, you know, I’ve been a Reiki teacher for a long time, and I was teaching Reiki and psychic lessons side by side. So, you know, Reiki on Tuesday night and psychic on Thursday night. And I, I just, most of my students took all of it. They would take, you know, they would take the whole, all of it. And to me, it seemed like a no brainer because I know that doing Reiki opens just like we talked about a while ago, as yoga, Reiki and meditation as sort of the gateways into opening up to this larger world.
0:57:47 Lisa Campion: If you do those things, you and you have a psychic nature and empathic nature, it’s going to come to the forefront, especially Reiki. That’s the, the way the attunement processes work will often open our psychic abilities, our intuitive abilities more. And I think it’s a good thing because as a Reiki practitioner, having access to our intuition, maybe getting, you know, having direct contact with your Reiki guides is just gonna only benefit your clients that much more.
0:58:13 Lisa Campion: And yet, especially back then, it’s changing a little bit now. But back then, it really wasn’t part of the traditional Reiki education, you know, And I worked with a lot of Reiki students who studied with Reiki with other people and then came to study with me because they were like, my psychic opened up. And I asked my Reiki teacher. And she just basically told me to shut up because it’s not part of Reiki, you know, or that it wasn’t part of the canon.
0:58:42 Lisa Campion: And, like, don’t do that. I don’t want to hear about it. You know, it’s kind of like it just. They. Or they didn’t know. They didn’t know what to do with it. So a lot of people got sort of shut down, I think, in the Reiki world when they started talking about psychic stuff. And. And yet, because it. I had always been doing those things, to me, they seemed like a natural pairing. So. And not only a natural pairing, but a good.
0:59:08 Lisa Campion: Something really beneficial to not only our own spiritual and psychic development, but what we can provide as healers. So that’s why I wrote that book and to really give people a guide about how to manage your energy. Chapter one. How do you. Especially if you’re an empath or a sensitive, so you don’t pick up stuff as a Reiki practitioner. How to use your intuition to help you guide your hands on a Reiki session, how to speak to your Reiki guides, or what do you do if someone’s dead granny comes into the Reiki session and wants to deliver a message? You know what I mean?
0:59:42 Lisa Campion: What do you do when that happens and it happens? You know? So all of that is just kind of the. The conversation that I have, and it was rat. It was radical when I wrote it in 2018. It’s become a little more main, you know, accepted, which I’m grateful for.
1:00:00 Tansy Rodgers: Well, Lisa, I have to share with you. First off, I’m definitely buying that book. That’s definite. Because in my energy healing and my. My Reiki now, I. I’ve been open for quite some time, but again, just didn’t know how to hone it. Didn’t know the words. But when I started doing actual energy healing work and Reiki work, my gifts exploded. And now I can. I can’t not. I didn’t realize I was doing psychic Reiki. I can’t not get messages in my sessions. And I’m over here, like, freaking out because I literally have had the mediumship side of things starting to open and expand too, as.
1:00:47 Tansy Rodgers: As I’m talking to unborn children in sessions. And, yeah, like, it’s amazing. It’s amazing. And so. And so, yeah, I’ll definitely be buying that book. But what I love about this is that I love that not only the practitioner can really have that expansion, but also the energy healing too. At least I’ve seen The energy healing, when you are the client and you are getting some of that, like, I mean, we, we feed off of each other’s energy. Right. And so if you’re working with somebody who is opening up, who is allowing those gifts to come through, I feel like that naturally influences also the client to be able to be in that space.
1:01:36 Tansy Rodgers: Space of opening and becoming more comfortable with their gifts too. Would you agree with that?
1:01:41 Lisa Campion: 100%. Yeah. I think we become. We can become a safe space for people who are in that exploration, you know, to. The more grounded we are also, the more we’re practicing those things in our energy healing system, it’s just going to make you a better practitioner, like really staying as grounded as you can, being really diligent with your energy, hygiene before and after your sessions, you know, bringing in, sharing the guides, sharing your intuition, you know, what you felt about their energy, what messages came through for them, just provides such a beautiful experience and a validating experience for our clients.
1:02:23 Lisa Campion: You know, it makes it safe. The more we do it, the more it makes that space safe for other people to flow into. Yeah.
1:02:32 Tansy Rodgers: And so thinking about this, that concept of picking up the energy and either releasing or retaining that energy within your own field, no matter if you’re a practitioner, a client, or just somebody who is out and about on the streets. Right. I’d love to explore and talk about the idea of energy vampires, or that term that gets thrown around a lot. I want to know how you define it and how can somebody lovingly and effectively protect themselves in those interactions, no matter if it is on the table or on the streets in the middle of Costco.
1:03:14 Lisa Campion: Oh, yeah, yeah. I love to talk about this. So I think they’re just certain people who are like, are naturally energy givers. Like, that’s us. Us, sensitive Zenpath. We. We’re like energy donor. We, you know, electron donors. And then there are certain people who are just more takers. It’s kind of like a, like a, like a polarity there, you know, or there may be people who are just. They’re not necessarily like always a taker, but they’re just having a bad day or they’re. They’re having a bad moment in their life sort of. I call them situational energy vampires.
1:03:52 Lisa Campion: We all fall on hard times. Right. You know, and I, I talk really about a couple of different kind of energy vampires. So they’re the predatory ones, which are really the scariest ones. They’re like the real narcissist psychopaths, you know, sociopathic people. And And a lot, and a lot of times empaths are drawn into deep relationships with them. Again because there’s a big polarity, like, there’s a, like a, you know, continuum here. We always sort of attract the opposite of the polarity that we’re in, you know, the other end of the spectrum, we track that.
1:04:24 Lisa Campion: So many empathic folks fall into relationships with narcissists. And we know that, right? We’ve had this, we know that now. And so narcissist is just another energy. Vampire is just another name for that type of narcissist. And we have to be super careful. There’s a whole conversation we could have around, you know, what do we do? How do we defend ourselves against that type. There’s also like what I call the victim vampire. And that, that’s just like people who don’t really know, like how they sort of g. Get, get through life by requiring other people to take care of them, you know, well, I can’t do it for myself, so you’ve got to do it for me. Or they just can’t quit. And I’m not saying that most of them have had, really have had bad things happen to them. They really often have been quite victimized, but they, they just sort of stay there and they’re, they’re, you know, that’s the friend that calls you and talks your ear off for an hour, never asks you how you’re doing, never takes your advice, never listens to what you have to say, never makes any move to actually get out of their trouble.
1:05:32 Lisa Campion: Just sort of addicted to the drama trauma of it all, you know, and then you hang up the phone and they’re like, oh, oh, I’d love to ask you how, how you are, but I gotta go, you know, and you’re like, oh my God. Yeah. And then you’re like, I gotta go take a nap. Because they just suck the life out of you, right? So there’s that kind. And then there’s also, honestly just, you know, and I say this with a lot of love, like I want to hold every, all the empaths hands when I say this is that sometimes empaths can become energy vampires.
1:06:02 Lisa Campion: And it happens when we don’t take care of ourselves. We don’t set boundaries when we, you know, let other people suck us dry. And then we’re empty and we’re walking around like an empty vessel. And then we become the needy ones who are grabbing other people’s energy. So honestly, I think like most people just don’t know how to Manage their energy very well. So anyone can fall into the, into the being an energy vampire. If we’re not, if we’re not minding our boundaries and taking steps to refill ourselves. Anyone can do it.
1:06:35 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. And, yeah, and, and I love, I love that you just brought up the fact that empaths can become energy vampires too, when not being taken care of within themselves in their own energy body. I think that’s an important thing to remember.
1:06:52 Lisa Campion: Yeah. Empaths are often the ones, you know, like throw, you know, throwing holy water and garlic at other people, but like, look in the mirror, make sure that’s not you, you know, and, and, and there’s nobody more vampy than a super, super, super drained empath. So we, the, the point of this all is that we are all 100% responsible for managing our own energy. And we don’t know how to do it, most of us, you know what I mean?
1:07:22 Lisa Campion: So there’s, but there’s incredible liberation and understanding that no one’s going to manage your energy for you, no one’s going to set boundaries for you. No one in your life. They all have a stake in you having terrible boundaries because it’s better for them, you know, if you do all the things for them. Right. So we have to kind of claim that and really figure out. So having good boundaries is about, and dealing with energy vampires, it’s about figuring out when you’re a yes and when you’re a no and being really honest about that and really honoring that. When we say no to somebody else, we’re saying yes to ourselves. And that’s okay.
1:07:59 Lisa Campion: Not only is it okay, but it’s really necessary. And as we set better boundaries and we say our yeses and no’s, it, it, this is a really hard one for empaths to understand. But people, then people respect you. If you don’t have any boundaries, people don’t respect you. They kind of walk all over you. You kind of become like that doormatty, kind of, you know, people pleaser. And we think people will never forgive us when we set boundaries, but actually people are like, look at you go sitting those. I mean, they may throw a fit, but eventually they’re gonna, they’re gonna respect you for that.
1:08:32 Lisa Campion: Just like we respect people that have good boundaries. So it’s, it’s really, really, really liberating. It’s a very difficult thing to go through. We have to do a lot of inner work. We have to strengthen our sense of self. We have to break our codependency patterns. In relationships. And when we do, we’re like, I’m the boss of my energy. I’m the one that says yes or no, and I’m the one that deals with the consequences if I slip my boundary.
1:09:00 Tansy Rodgers: And so how do you in particular find what your yes or no is? Is there sensations in the body? Is there things that you practice? How do you determine what is a yes and what’s a no? So that you can either walk away or stay sandy?
1:09:18 Lisa Campion: That’s such a. That’s the question. It’s such a good one. So for me, I have trained myself to never say yes in the moment, to never answer in the moment. Because if you ask me in the moment, I’m always going to say yes because I just feel it. I’m like, I want to help you. Like, you know, like, oh, my God, I love you and you’re so cute. Of course I want to help you. Like, so I have learned to say, let me get back to you tomorrow or let me get back to you on Friday.
1:09:44 Lisa Campion: And I literally. This is nuts, but I literally need to be alone in my office with my calendar. And then I do my energy clearing. You know, I’m like, ground clear, protected, so I’m really in myself. And then I think about it. I’m like, do I have time for this? Is it, is it in alignment with my goals? If I say yes to this, am I going to have to say, knock something else off my list? Like, you know, I have to feel. I feel it.
1:10:12 Lisa Campion: You know, so it’s a matter of feeling it. And then also, really, like, what is the cost going to be if I say that? If I say yes to this? What, what, what else am I going to drop off my calendar to say yes to this? And. And I can’t. I just need a little minute alone. I need to be alone with myself so I can feel myself. Then I know if it’s. You have to feel yourself. That’s the answer. And if you’ve been doing all your energy clearing and you’ve been meditating and you’ve been like, managing your own energy, then you can feel yourself.
1:10:42 Lisa Campion: You know, sometimes if I’m really not sure, I’ll. I’ll use my pendulum or pull cards, but most of the time I just know, you know, like, I feel it. And then I think it’s about coming up with a lot of really, really, really nice ways to say no.
1:10:59 Tansy Rodgers: I think that’s the hardest part sometimes. Yeah.
1:11:04 Lisa Campion: Yeah. Have five. Write them down. And I wrote them down. And I practice I practiced. I practiced by looking, going to a mirror and looking at myself in the eye and saying them over and over again. So until I could look myself in the eye and say with a smile on my face. And mostly it’s no, thank you. My grandma taught me well. No, thank you is 90% of the time will do the trick, you know, and, oh, thank you so much for thinking about me, and I would so love to help you. My calendar is so full right now, and I’m just sorry, you know, I’m not going to be able to do that.
1:11:39 Lisa Campion: But I totally want to support your project. If there’s another way I can, please let me know. You know, that was so nice. Right? You know, so I think we can, you know, or thank you for saying that, please. You know, I can’t right now, but don’t stop asking me some. You know, I love. I love it that you asked me. And at some other time, I’d like to be able to say yes. Like, we just, you know, I just think we have to find that connected, respectful way to say no.
1:12:07 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Well, as you were talking, I even thought about myself in regards to how I say yes or no. Believe me, I’m. I still got work to do on that for sure. I got a lot of work to do to do. But one thing that’s helped me. Are you familiar with human design?
1:12:23 Lisa Campion: Yeah.
1:12:23 Tansy Rodgers: Okay. Yeah. So. So in human design, I’m a sacral responder, and I have found that if I honor that, if I honor when something comes in and pay attention to what my gut reaction is, right away, you know? I know. But then I have to have the courage to stick with that and to go with that and not let my boundaries become leaky and do what my body and my energy feel is already telling me is not good for me. So I just wanted to throw that in because for those who are listening, who are into human design, your response may be a really good idea of how you can tell if it’s yes or no.
1:13:08 Lisa Campion: I love that. That’s cool. I think the other important thing we have to do is we have to learn how to deal with other people’s reactions when we say no. And that’s really difficult when we’re empaths. I call it the empath trap. And that’s when we say yes. Because if I say no, that means I’m gonna have. You’re gonna throw a fit, and then I’m gonna deal with all of your feelings, and then I have to deal with all of my feelings. About your feelings.
1:13:34 Lisa Campion: And it’s gonna be a big message. It’s easier to say yes, you know, and, and so that’s not a good long term strategy. So we have, we have to learn how to let other people have their feeling. That’s codependency right there in action when I’m not okay, if you’re not okay. And that’s, that’s no way. No, that’s, that’s what we have to clean up on our end, you know, as empaths. So we have to learn how to be okay with other people not being okay.
1:14:00 Lisa Campion: We have to learn how to sort of tolerate other people’s, you know, fit. And I don’t mean let them abuse you with their fit, but we just, they’re allowed to have their feelings and they’re not allowed to beat you up with those feelings, but they’re allowed to have their feel. We have to just handle ourselves and let other people handle themselves, then get out of that codependent tangle that we get in with people.
1:14:23 Lisa Campion: So when and, and when we start doing this, it’s really sticky because now you’re going to say no a lot more than you’re used to. You’re going to reset your boundaries. And you can really tell, you can really tell when you need to do this. It’s called this little exercise I, I do in my book, energy healing for empaths called the Resentment Inventory. So if you just get in your journal and you write down everything that you feel resentful about, resentment is a big red flag that you need to, you’re bound, you’re giving more than your, than you should be in that situation or relationship that you need to back up and reset your boundary.
1:14:58 Lisa Campion: Right. And when we start doing that, people don’t like it. They don’t. Of course they don’t. So we have to kind of retrain them how to treat us, we train people how to treat us, how, what to expect from us, how much we’re willing to give and when we back up and reset that. They don’t like that, but they will get used to it if we’re, if we’re kind and persistent.
1:15:21 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, I, I feel like our conversation has been this beautiful evolution. You know, talking about the psychic side, your abilities, honoring that, leaning into your sensitivity if you identify with that and, and allowing that to just flourish and energy healing. And I think as we kind of wrap up this conversation, I really want to just put that little cherry on the top like, like bring it around and talk about the soul aligned life And I know that that’s a big mission of yours, and so I want to talk about that because I feel like that’s kind of that culmination of you doing all this work and then coming into this beautiful place where you are making the change in the transformation. So can you talk about what the soul aligns, the soul alignment really is for you, and how somebody can start to shift by just getting by to actually living and thriving in their. In their intuitive center in their bodies and their souls?
1:16:27 Lisa Campion: Yes. Such a beautiful question. And I think that our, our solar line life is when we really start living from our higher self, you know, and our higher self has like, such an incredible mission for us. The impact that we’re going to make in the world and all the people we’re going to help, how we’re going to be of service. But I think it’s also really about enjoyment. So going back sort of full360 here to savor, you know, and having fun, savoring our life, enjoying our life, feeling pleasure, just it’s. It’s pretty, you know, interesting and cool to be down in a body on a planet right now. And, you know, so it’s kind of like the first full, embracing the fullness of our human experience and also figuring out how to serve and, you know, how to help.
1:17:13 Lisa Campion: And I believe that our higher self is speaking to us all the time through our intuition. So following our intuition through our, that gut sense of what we know. In order to deal with that, we have to sort of do a little battle. It’s like a conflict inside of us because there’s another part of us that the personal self, the ego, the inner child really doesn’t want to leave the comfort zone. You know, for me, my higher self always has its foot in my backside and is sort of pushing me out of the comfort zone.
1:17:44 Lisa Campion: Write another book, teach another class on the shift network, you know, do this thing, this big thing. And my higher self’s like, yeah, let me do that big thing. And my personal self’s like, no, no, no, please don’t make me do that, you know, and so I, that’s why I do inner child work and why I teach inner child work. It’s sort of like it’s going to be okay, you know, I’m going to do that hard, scary thing and we can just go walk the dog, you know, a nap when it’s done, you know, whatever. Like.
1:18:12 Lisa Campion: So for me, it’s about actively, every day, that negotiation between all the, the parts of myself that I attend to, with a lot of loving care, that inner child or that vulnerable part of me so that I can live at the edge of my own intuition, of my own evolution, my own spiritual evolution, which is thrilling, exciting, challenging and to me like, I don’t really feel alive. I feel like so much aliveness if I’m pushing the edge of my own evolutionary arc. But I can’t do that if I’m, I refuse to sort of drag my inner child backwards through the hedge in order to do that. So I’m going to, I just have to really, really attend to that.
1:18:58 Lisa Campion: That’s why my next book is about inner child stuff, you know, because I think, I think if, if I had a magic wand then I could teach one thing. It would be that it would be like, how do we manage our inner children? How do we regulate our nervous system and regulate our emotions? And if I did that, I think there would be no violence in the world. There would be no, you know, craziness that’s happening now. If everyone’s inner child just had a snack and a nap, it would be golden.
1:19:31 Lisa Campion: We’d enter the golden age of humanity.
1:19:34 Tansy Rodgers: A little, a little Capri sun pack. You remember those?
1:19:43 Lisa Campion: Yeah.
1:19:45 Tansy Rodgers: Oh, this has been such an amazing conversation. I love talking about this kind of stuff. So it gets me all excited. Where can people find you? What are you most excited about in your work right now? And yeah, how can people get in your world?
1:20:05 Lisa Campion: Thank you so much. You can find [email protected] that’s my website. You can find all my books on Amazon and all bookstore places. I have a really good fun YouTube channel where I give a lot of like if you’re looking for the energy hygiene, the ground clear and protect protocols, they’re up there on my YouTube channel. And what I’m, I’m most excited about really is helping people that are going through psychic openings and working as a mentor and helping people.
1:20:33 Lisa Campion: I have a signature program called mastering your psychic abilities which is really a beautiful container to explore and open your, your psychic abilities with a lot of safety and support from me and from the, and from the group. And I also have like a full on apprenticeship where I take people for a year and teach them how to be professional psychic healers. All the things that if you want to go pro, I got you there too.
1:20:59 Lisa Campion: So I think that’s what I love the most is helping, helping people, like I said, you know, manage their gifts in a more graceful way than, than I did. And I, I have like this, I had this deep Dream of like creating an army of healers to go out there and save the world. So training Reiki. I have Reiki classes. I have psychic reiki classes on my website. If you want to take it, take psychic break, you can.
1:21:25 Lisa Campion: But helping all my psychic healers and then past fully step into their gifts because the world needs all the healers it can get. And creating an army of healers to go out there and save the world, that’s. That’s where my passion is. That’s what gets me up and doing all the things that I gotta do.
1:21:41 Tansy Rodgers: And I will just say to that which I think is beautiful, I love it so much. I feel like right now we are coming together as this collective leaders, as this guidance team to really help usher in the people that are here with us and just helping us to all move forward a little bit more smoothly. So I think the work that you’re doing is so incredibly important right now, especially just to. Just to help lead.
1:22:17 Tansy Rodgers: So.
1:22:18 Lisa Campion: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I know. I really believe that, you know, that this sort of like the tipping point of humanity. And as we wake up, we come online, we raise our consciousness, we raise our vibration, we align with those that are higher selves and live that same silk soul occupied life. Like you said, we sort of tip the humanity towards the. Towards the light, you know, and that that’s what we’re here to do and that so many of us are on the planet right now. To be a part of that, to experience that, to help that and that, I feel quite hopeful, honestly. I feel so.
1:22:53 Lisa Campion: You know, even though the news is sort of a daily train wreck, I feel really hopeful about humanity and where we’re going. And, you know, being on a meeting you and being on a podcast like this is, and all the people who listen gives me that much more hope because I feel that collective coming together just like you said. And it’s. It’s so. Thank God. And it’s so beautiful.
1:23:14 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, me too. I’m kind of excited to see what opens up and shifts, in all honesty. Yeah, yeah, me too. Well, as we wrap up this episode today, I’m just want to check in with you. Do you have any last words that you want to lay onto the hearts of the listeners for today?
1:23:33 Lisa Campion: I think it would be to really take that time to feel what your intuition, feel your inner guidance is telling you to do and go for it. Because now is the time, you know, now is the moment to. To take action, to do whatever you’re feeling called to do, to live that more soul aligned life. Now is the time. Like don’t wait, do it now. And if you need help, you know where to go. There’s, you know, keep listening to this podcast and you know, go where your intuition is leading you for the next step. We always can see the next step that’s right in front of us.
1:24:08 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you so much, Lisa, for being here from, for speaking from your heart and your passion. Thank you for being a leader in what you’re doing and thank you for making a change in the world.
1:24:19 Lisa Campion: Thank you, Tansy. And thank you for having me on your amazing podcast.
1:24:24 Tansy Rodgers: So how did that land? I know for me, Lisa’s words stirred up a lot and a lot of remembering and a lot of reckoning and a lot of realignment. It really helps to listen to such wise wisdom to help you understand and maybe unlock some of the places that you need more clarity. So here are a few questions for you to ponder on to sit with as the week goes on. What if your sensitivity is actually your sacred compass?
1:24:57 Tansy Rodgers: What if the overwhelm you feel is not a weakness, but a signal that your boundaries are ready to evolve? What if trusting your gifts isn’t something that that you earn, it’s actually something you reclaim? Let this be your invitation to stop dimming your light and start listening to the inner voice that’s been whispering all along. Because you’re ready. If this episode gave you a spark, share it with someone who’s ready to come home to their magic. And don’t forget, if you leave a review and you email me a screenshot shot, you’ll receive 15% off a distance energy healing session or a piece of jewelry that helps support your healing journey.
1:25:44 Tansy Rodgers: Everything you need is down in the show notes, and until next time, keep spreading that beautiful energy you were born to share.
