The Energy Fix Episode 115 - FINAL.mp3
2025-05-20
Transcript
0:00:13 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality. My name’s Tansy and and I’m an intuitive crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It’s time to talk all things energy. Let’s dive in. Here on the podcast, we talk about all things health, spirituality, and expansion, especially as we are moving through this change and transformation that is so inevitable in our humanity right right now. And I feel like we’ve been on this beautiful kick of manifestation chats and talking all about elevating expansion, growth in all ways.
0:01:08 Tansy Rodgers: Maybe it’s physical, maybe it’s nutritional, maybe it’s emotional and spiritual. It doesn’t really matter what your end goal is. It’s really about the manifestation of how you get there. And this is another episode that is surely not going to disappoint you in anyway, because we are sitting deep into the seat of manifestation again. Ooh. Today’s conversation is really going to stretch your mind, clear your emotional clutter, help you finally understand why you might be doing all the manifestation things but still feeling stuck.
0:01:53 Tansy Rodgers: I’m joined today by the incredible Thomas Jones, a psychotherapist, musician, and founder of the Paradox Process, a powerful tool that helps you turn emotional resistance into insight and forward momentum. He’s worked with everyone from therapists and coaches to artists, doctors and award winning creatives. And what he teaches is this. Your thoughts aren’t just stories. They’re programming your reality.
0:02:29 Tansy Rodgers: They are creating your existence. And most of us are stuck in loops that we didn’t even know that we were running. And so I got connected with Thomas through a good friend of mine, Teresa Walker, who is the founder and owner of Clarity Mind Retreat, the retreat that I just had the honor of being part of to do some energy healing and to do some crystal work and really connect in deeper. And so, as her and I chatted and we’re starting the creation process of what my part was going to be in the retreat, she said, I have somebody that you absolutely have to meet that’s going to be perfect for your podcast.
0:03:13 Tansy Rodgers: And Teresa, I totally trust her in her judgment of quality and professionalism and just good vibes, good energy. And so she was spot on. You know, in this episode, we’re going to be talking all about the neuroscience of manifestation resistance and sabotage in relationships and the hidden emotional games that we play even when we don’t mean to play them, and how to finally direct the mind so that you can stop chasing and start allowing.
0:03:49 Tansy Rodgers: And if this lands in your heart today, if this really resonates, I would be so grateful if you would subscribe, leave a 5 star review or share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. This ripple starts with you and that is how we get this podcast and these episodes and these messages into more and more and more hands. It’s really, really that important. So ahead of time, thank you so much for leaving a review and subscribing to the podcast. I appreciate you.
0:04:21 Tansy Rodgers: Now as always, before we dive into this episode, I like to give you updates of what is going on so that you are fully aware and can connect into the events or the things that are happening along with me. So first, my two newest crystal designs, Gut and Intuition and Boundaries and Bravery, are now available. These two have been flying off my table at events and for good reasons because they really help you to reconnect.
0:04:52 Tansy Rodgers: Gut and Intuition reconnects your belly wisdom to your clarity and Boundaries and Bravery help you to reconnect when you need to say no or stand in your truth without guilt. Reconnecting to that throat chakra. You can find both [email protected] once I get them up onto the website. Or you can go over for a quicker viewing. You can go on over to Instagram @BeUCompleteCrystals. Make sure you follow me over there as I bring in new products and new things for you to view before they actually make it to my website.
0:05:33 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, it’s a thing. I’m working on it. They’ll be there eventually, but you know. Anyway. All right, let’s finish up these updates. Thursday, May 29, 2025 I’m going to be at Enlightenment Healing day in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania at Reiki by Ricky’s offering 30 minute crystal and energy healing sessions. There are only four spots left as of the time of this recording, so make sure that you contact me so that you can grab your spot if you are local.
0:06:06 Tansy Rodgers: Saturday, June 7, 2025, you can come see me at Pride Fest in Pottsville, Pennsylvania. This is the first time that I’m doing a Prides Fest, so it’s going to be really interesting to see how that goes. I’m really excited. I think it’s going to be a great time to connect in and to be in that energy and just, just celebrate. So I’ll be there all day with my jewelry and crystal tools. It’s going to be a high vibe celebration. I’d love to see you there.
0:06:38 Tansy Rodgers: Now, let’s take a breath, drop into your body, get ready, because we are going to dive into this episode with Thomas, and he is going to challenge your thinking in the best possible way. Let’s dive in.
0:06:56 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome to the Energy Fix podcast. Thomas, thank you so much for being here today.
0:07:01 Thomas Jones: Thanks for having me. It’s going to be fun.
0:07:04 Tansy Rodgers: This is going to be fun. We’re going to be talking about some great topics and words of wisdom today. And speaking of words, I love that as a way for people to get to know you a little bit better. So is there a word or a phrase that you’re really connecting with that you’re embodying right now in this season of your life?
0:07:27 Thomas Jones: It’s interesting that. That’s a great question, by the way. And every year, I pick a word to live into. Right. And I’ve had a few doozies, by the way. Don’t. Don’t do patience. What? I. I failed miserably at that one. But this year, I picked ease, and I’m really liking ease because the word itself, kind of your shoulders drop. You. You kind of let things go. You know, it. It just. It’s sort of. I look for transcendent words. Right. And that’s kind of a transcendent one because it brings you into that state.
0:08:06 Thomas Jones: So I’m going with these.
0:08:09 Tansy Rodgers: And honestly, I think that’s a perfect word for this year, especially with so much changing, so much turmoil, so many things up in the air and questions and drama. Right.
0:08:24 Thomas Jones: I know, it’s crazy.
0:08:25 Tansy Rodgers: How do you stay at ease when times are turbulent?
0:08:31 Thomas Jones: Yeah, well, and, you know, I was thinking about that earlier. I was thinking about these incredibly challenging times there. You know, you couldn’t ask for more disruption. Right. And of course, you know, every time I pick a word, I get challenged to the max by that word. Right. But, you know, I use. We’ll talk about the paradox process, this process that I cultivated and developed, and I use it to stay present because it’s so easy to get distracted by the hundred different things that are trying to pull our attention.
0:09:07 Thomas Jones: Right. And so I stay in the present. I try to let the things go as I go. I try to stay detached and light on my feet and present. And I find that, you know, when you do that, you develop a trust that there’s another version of you up ahead that’s already handling things so you can kind of relax and, you know, trust the unfolding of it all.
0:09:39 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Well, you know, and that.
0:09:41 Tansy Rodgers: That kind of.
0:09:42 Tansy Rodgers: That really leads us into talking about how you came up with this process. I mean, you combine psychotherapy, music, and what some might call renegade neuroscience. And so I want to, I want to talk about all of that. Yeah, I want to talk about that. What originally pulled you into this kind of mind work and how did the paradox process come to life? So not only can you help people around you, but also help yourself in the process?
0:10:13 Thomas Jones: Yeah, I came by this process honestly. I, I met a man who later became my mentor. And what was interesting is that we were going through the same kind of trauma together, right? I just broken up in a long term relationship and it was really the first love of my life, or so I thought at the time. And it was heartbreaking, it was devastating. And it just felt like there was no way out of it. So he and I, I worked in a therapeutic community at that point in time, I was working with kids that were remanded from the, the criminal system.
0:10:55 Thomas Jones: And by the way, great kids, 13, 14, 15, already had criminal records. But they were the sweetest, most innocent people you ever want to know, right? And I was interested in growth at that point. And he and I started playing with all the different modalities that were out there in order to try and figure out how to get out of this pain. You know, psychotherapy or therapy or anything that you want to call it is not worth anything if it doesn’t work when the chips are down.
0:11:28 Thomas Jones: And after this heartbreak, the chips were down, right? I was miserable. And he was miserable too, which was very convenient because we decided, let’s work on this together. Maybe we can come up with something. And we kind of played with every modality that was out there. I was teaching primal therapy at the time. We started doing gestalt therapy, transactional analysis, everything that you can imagine and trying to figure out where is the value here and what’s going to move the needle, what’s going to take the pain away.
0:12:05 Thomas Jones: At a certain point, we stumbled on a mantra for a meditation, right? And you know, the only meditating I had done before that was breathing meditation and a little astral projection, by the way. You know, I was 18, I was flying all over the universe. It was very cool. So we started playing with this meditation based on a mantra. Accept the unacceptable, right? And I’m sure, you know, you know, the precepts of Buddhism are that life is pain, but by accepting that life is pain, life is just life.
0:12:43 Thomas Jones: So accepting transcends pain. So we thought, this is an interesting idea, let’s see if we can direct the mind to take the issue at hand and do this acceptance and see what it does. And what was interesting about it was that it took away the pain, because most of what we call pain is really resistance to pain. And so when you’re not resisting anymore, suddenly everything relaxes and you see things in a different way.
0:13:19 Thomas Jones: But what was interesting about this meditation was that, yes, it took away the pain, but it also gave insights and information. And we started realizing we’re tapping into a part of the mind that was unexpected to us. I was just looking to get out of pain. But suddenly we found this whole new self, this whole new world that we got to explore. And that became fascinating because we realized that, you know, there’s a saying that God hides the answers to the universe in the one place man won’t look inside, right?
0:13:59 Thomas Jones: And, you know, certainly for me, that was true. But when we started exploring this kind of internal space, we saw so much and gained so much insight and information that we got very excited about this process. And so it started out as a meditation, and we were meditating. You know, you can imagine that once you see the pain shift, you want to go to every issue that has pain in it and see, can it do this? Can it do this? Can it do this?
0:14:33 Thomas Jones: And what happened is that it matched everything that we did. It shifted and changed. And the shift, again, was two separate things. One, the release of this pain or painful sensation. But two, the insight and information, the different view that you got of the issue. And I’ll give you an example. I know I’m being long winded, but I’m going to give you an example anyway. I grew up with a very punishing father. He had no father.
0:15:09 Thomas Jones: He came right out of the service, and he thought being a drill sergeant was the way to raise kids, right? And so he was harsh, he was abusive. And I left that situation. I left home at 16 feeling like he doesn’t love me, he hates me. And so I held that pain. This is why I ended up working with kids, by the way. You know, I figured if I heal them, I’ll somehow get it by osmosis, right? And so I used this process, this accept the unacceptable on this devastating pain that I’m not loved.
0:15:48 Thomas Jones: And it shifted and it changed. And the insight that I saw, it was like a bolt of lightning hit me because I saw, oh, he actually does love me. He just has no way of expressing it. And once you see something, once you have a shift of insight like that, you can’t unshift it, right? And so that changed my world. And that’s where I really saw the value of this process that we can get out of these old program beliefs and these historic pains and traumas and so forth and find a different reality.
0:16:33 Thomas Jones: And it wasn’t covering anything over. It wasn’t making nice. So, you know, to be sure of that, I wrote him a letter and explained the experience that I had. And he actually apologized and said, yes, I did love you. I didn’t know how. And so these were the kind of revelations that really cemented the idea that we’ve got something here, this process is something worth pursuing.
0:17:06 Tansy Rodgers: So many thoughts came up as you were speaking. First, I love that misery loves company. But what I find so interesting is that many humans attach to others in that bond of misery loves company. But what you did with your mentor is you expanded upon that. You expanded to create something that could change the narrative of where you are currently residing, which is beautiful. Beautiful. And I will also say that when you can direct your mind, when you can step back and accept the unacceptable, that changes so much. I actually did the same sort of thing with my own father.
0:17:53 Tansy Rodgers: So when you were talking, it was very. It was very. It was very warm on my heart because I did the same thing. I never told him. I never contacted him to tell him, you know, through a letter or words. But it changed so much about how I felt about myself in the moment. It wasn’t about him. It was about how I felt about who I was and how that healed me on a level. And so this directing of mind, accepting the unacceptable, I think is such a beautiful thing to bring into conversation because of how powerful that can be.
0:18:40 Tansy Rodgers: Be. And honestly, here’s the thing, though, it sounds so simple, so simple. But most of us are really tangled up in this resistance. So why do you think resistance is such a powerful force in keeping us from the things that we want the most?
0:19:02 Thomas Jones: Yeah, well, we develop what I like to call our. Our formula for success. Right. That’s really a misnomer in a way, because it’s not about success, but. But we navigate the trauma that we go through and we make adjustments and we create this identity, this self that we think we are that can kind of work our way through life based on what we’ve gone through. Right. And we are very attached to that identity, even though it’s not us, by the way.
0:19:39 Thomas Jones: The identity we create is a series of reactions to trauma, to history, to pain, to everything that we’ve gone through. But nevertheless, we create this identity and we believe this identity. And so, you know, when we started putting this process out in the world, my partner Roger, God bless him, said, the world is going to beat a path to our door. And I was like, I don’t really think so because. Because like you said, we have such resistance. Right.
0:20:16 Thomas Jones: So imagine you have this identity that’s learned how to navigate the world through all the hardship that you’ve been in. And somebody says, no, there’s a better way. You’re going to be like, wait a second, I’ve. I’m doing okay. I’m managing. Why do I want to upset that apple cart? And so it’s really this sense of self that we develop that has all that resistance. Right. Look, we crave change and we resist change at the same time.
0:20:48 Thomas Jones: And I used to tell people, this is easy. This process is so easy. Now I’ve amended it. Now what I recognize is this is simple, but it’s not so easy.
0:21:02 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. So what patterns do you typically see come up again and again, no matter somebody’s background or level of success or level of resistance or desire for change? You know, what are some of the things that you see recurring?
0:21:21 Thomas Jones: Yeah, there are some basic core beliefs that get programmed into us. And I see them over and over again. I’m not enough. I’m not good enough. I’m not lovable. I don’t belong. I don’t fit in. I’m a fake. I’m a fraud. I’m a phony. These things come up constantly, right? I’m unlovable. All of these things, they’re the assumptions of a child, Right? Because when we go through the trauma we go through, we don’t know any better.
0:21:56 Thomas Jones: So we’re, you know, kids are egocentric. We think everything’s our fault or everything is caused by us. And so if we’re not loved or we don’t feel loved, that’s on us. And we create a belief that rationalizes that and justifies it. So if I’m not being loved, my assumption becomes I’m not lovable. Now, I live into that. And here’s what’s so insidious about the brain, right? When you have an assumption like that, you live into that assumption.
0:22:31 Thomas Jones: You start to see the proof and evidence of whatever assumption you’re holding. And so if my assumption is I’m not lovable, I’m going to see a thousand different things that reinforce that. And so I end up convinced, okay, with a real conviction that I’m not lovable. And so now here I come with my little process, and I’m gonna. I’M gonna change your life. Right? But you’re entrenched in this I’m not lovable belief.
0:23:08 Thomas Jones: And so you can imagine what a pitched battle it is to have somebody. And, you know, what is the way to change that internal belief? It’s through work, it’s through constant repetition. It’s through changing that internal dialogue that we have because we don’t realize it. We’re living in a narrative, we’re living in an internal dialogue that has all of these beliefs, and it’s going on and on and on.
0:23:39 Thomas Jones: And if you know anything about hypnosis, well, we are hypnotizing ourselves into these beliefs and expectations. And so when I say to somebody, yeah, you can change all that, they’re like, huh? And I don’t blame them, honestly. You know, I recognize that resistance. But to be fair, I think, and for me, this was true, that I had to be in enough pain to decide, I’ve got to do something, I’ve got to do something different.
0:24:16 Thomas Jones: And I think it was the pain that drove me to find answers.
0:24:22 Tansy Rodgers: You know, I want to talk about manifestation in a moment, but, you know, that. That confirmation bias is brutal. That confirmation bias, which is you, you having a thought and then seeing it over and over, you’re just confirming in your mind what you already quote, unquote, knew to be true about yourself, right? And so. So as you were talking about that, I kept thinking this link between this emotional resistance and how it then, you know, in the confirmation bias and then how it blocks and can sabotage our ability to really manifest this abundance, this love, the things that we want in life.
0:25:05 Tansy Rodgers: And then when you talked about the pain, you have to be in a certain amount of pain to really want to make the change. I’m curious, Thomas, what does that inner sabotage, those inner blocks, that inner pain typically sound like inside of someone’s mind to, number one, get them to maybe help them, to see that they are blocking and sabotaging, but then also to want to make the change.
0:25:33 Thomas Jones: I think, you know, when I was a kid, I wasn’t happy as a kid. And, you know, that’s not my badge of courage. I think everybody goes through unhappiness in childhood. But I determined that, well, if I’m not going to be happy, then at least I’m going to have an interesting life. I’m going to make life interesting, right?
0:25:58 Tansy Rodgers: I don’t need to be happy. Let’s just make life crazy.
0:26:03 Thomas Jones: Exactly. I gave up on happy. I knew that ship had sailed. I wasn’t. That wasn’t going to happen. But I think there has to be a thought. There has to be. And by the way, we all have it. We all have a spark inside of us that says there’s got to be a better way. Right? There’s something unnatural about being in this kind of pain, even this kind of emotional pain. There’s something unnatural about it because for whatever reason I believed, you know, you look at nature, you never see a horse in the field worrying, right?
0:26:40 Thomas Jones: You never see a bird, you know, angsting about tomorrow. And it’s like nature is telling me this, you know, that we’re carrying too much. This. This noise, this worry, this doubt, this internal dialogue. No, there’s something wrong with it. And I think we have to have enough suspicion that there’s a better way and enough will to see it through. Yeah, it’s tough.
0:27:11 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, it’s hard.
0:27:12 Thomas Jones: You know, I used to think, well, did I think growth was easy? What? Well, I thought it was more accessible, right? But I’ve been doing this for a long time, and I’ve seen every kind of resistance there is. And some of it’s heartbreaking because we all want joy, we all want happiness, we all want an actualized self, but it seems so distant at times. And, you know, the mind provides this despair for us based on these old programmed beliefs.
0:27:47 Thomas Jones: And it’s an uphill battle, you know, it really is. And I think. Well, go ahead.
0:27:55 Tansy Rodgers: Oh, no, go ahead, go ahead.
0:27:57 Thomas Jones: No, I was just thinking that it’s an uphill battle, and I understand why people turn to alternatives. You know, you turn to religion because it’s the promise of something better at some point in time. Right. And that at least feels like a spark of hope. Right? But again, that’s deferred happiness. And I was more interested in how do I find my joy, how do I find this internal happiness.
0:28:27 Tansy Rodgers: Something you said. This is what I was going to say earlier. Something you said really gave me an aha. So you said that you always thought that growth was. Was accessible, but it wasn’t necessarily always so accessible. And the aha that I had was. I feel like we get fed the narrative over and over and over from media, from mainstream coaches, from my. Like, that all we need to do is stick with our goals and keep moving forward and stay on that growth path.
0:29:08 Tansy Rodgers: And I’ll tell you, I am the first one to have fallen for that over and over and over again until I learned I got to get out of my own damn way because my resistance is one of the biggest things that has not allowed me to truly grow. And the aha that I had was. I don’t think enough people talk about the resistance piece of it.
0:29:34 Thomas Jones: I agree. I agree. You know, that. That coaching nonsense that, yeah, just try harder, push, go. You can do the. No, you know, at a certain point, the more you push, the more that old identity pushes back. And now you’re entrenched. You’re in an entrenched battle. And, you know, what does it lead to? It leads to exhaustion and then ultimately despair. You know, you’re absolutely right that the answers are within, the problems are within, the resistance is within.
0:30:10 Thomas Jones: And, you know, I was. I was talking to a class the other night, and I like to shock people. I think I like to disrupt their belief system, right? And I started with, you don’t know who you are. You do not know who you are. And based on the assumptions you’ve made, you’re in your way constantly, and things aren’t working because you don’t know who you are. People don’t like that one, though. But it is true because, you know, that’s the bad news. The good news is you’re so much more than you know.
0:30:50 Thomas Jones: You know, we. We love to hear that there’s this incredible, authentic being inside of us that is. That is power and creative and. And wonderful. And all of that’s true. That is absolutely true. But if you don’t have a way to get there, and if you don’t have the understanding that this is not an easy path, okay, it’s a path. It’ll get you there, but it’s not easy, then you’re not equipped for the journey. Okay. It’s like climbing Everest in your sneakers. Good luck.
0:31:24 Thomas Jones: Right?
0:31:27 Tansy Rodgers: And so I love that you’re saying all this because, yeah, there is so much abundant possibilities, authentic beauty that lives and resides in each and every one of us. But the reality is that there’s also the resistance and the triggers and the fears and the wounds and the traumas and all of that. Every single one of them, to a certain degree, is going to take precedence when it comes to actually making the change.
0:31:58 Thomas Jones: It’s true. You will never be more challenged than when you go for something. That’s when your entrenched beliefs are going to show up. That’s when the I’m not good enough shows up or I’m not allowed or that’s for other people. That’s when that shows up. Okay? And that’s a good thing and a bad thing. It’s bad because what a drag. But it’s good because that’s the work site, right? That’s. That’s where you need to be.
0:32:31 Thomas Jones: And if you knew that success, part of success is working through that, then we could redefine it. But, you know, you’re so right about coaches and, you know, inspiring talkers and so forth. You know, they talk a very glossy game, right? Like, hey, transformation, you’re going to do this. And no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, my take on it is, roll up your sleeves, let’s get to work. Don’t be surprised.
0:33:03 Thomas Jones: Let’s find that resistance. Let’s go after it, and then let’s dismantle it and create a different internal dialogue, okay? Because this narrative that we’re constantly feeding ourselves, you know, it rears its ugly head every time we try for something good. And so that’s the work site. That’s when you got to change that narrative.
0:33:28 Tansy Rodgers: When you were talking about the work site, I got this vision of literally walking in and putting your hard hat on and having your work boots and being ready to knock down the foundation and the walls and start new.
0:33:40 Thomas Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:33:43 Tansy Rodgers: Let’s talk about your space for a second, your workspace. We talk a lot about energy clearing. Clearing your thoughts, your patterns, your beliefs. But what about your actual environment? If your home or office has hidden mold or bacteria or microtoxins. Oh, microtoxins. The things you can’t see. The things that are floating in the air and they are completely invisible and you can’t smell them. Well, your nervous system is quietly working overtime each and every day.
0:34:16 Tansy Rodgers: And that low grade fog, that anxiety, that constant fatigue. Well, sometimes it’s not mindset, sometimes it’s mold. And that’s why I’ve been looking into Superstrana, a powerful antimicrobial spray system that doesn’t just kill surface mold, it keeps it from coming back. And this is so important because you can go ahead and wipe it off, but if it keeps coming back, it keeps on attacking. Super Stratum helps to create a space where your body can actually rest, where your nervous system isn’t in fight or flight, and your clarity can actually return because manifesting and emotional alignment are beautiful.
0:35:01 Tansy Rodgers: But if your environment is silently draining you, that energy work only goes so far. You can check out Super Stratum through the link in the show notes. It’s a peace of mind, just in a bottle form.
0:35:15 Tansy Rodgers: Well, let’s take a step back a little bit. I want to talk more about the neuroscience from the lens of neuroscience, and I want to talk about manifestation in particular, because I feel like it’ if we can talk about what is going on in the brain when this resistance comes up, what is going on and how we need to learn to shift that, to step into a process of manifestation, what is actually happening in the brain when we start visualizing, thinking, aligning ourselves with what we want.
0:35:50 Tansy Rodgers: So let’s get a little sciency here and talk about how that’s all occurring.
0:35:56 Thomas Jones: Okay? Yeah. So, you know, I love manifesting and, and I’ll give you my formula for manifesting after. But you know the idea. You’re going to choose a goal, you’re going to try and create something, you’re going to go after it. If you know, the minute you start approaching whatever it is that you want to create, you go into the sympathetic nervous system, you get triggered. Okay? Your anxieties, your worries, your doubts, your fears, your expectations, they all come to bear, right?
0:36:31 Thomas Jones: And each one of these takes you out of your prefrontal. It puts you into the amygdala, it puts you into the fear based mind. It narrows your vision, it narrows your creative thinking. It stops you from doing the very thing that you just decided you were going to do, right? So in order to create something, you have to understand that’s the first way it’s going to present itself. Okay? Creating something is first going to show up as your resistance to creating it.
0:37:04 Thomas Jones: And so, you know, neurologically, what do we do? We have to get out of the sympathetic nervous system and into the parasympathetic. Okay, this is where, you know, sympathetic nervous system is fight, flight or freeze, right? Parasympathetic is rest, relax, receive. And so you have to be able to find that stillness in you. Whether it’s through meditation or through relaxing or through breathing exercises or whatever it is.
0:37:36 Thomas Jones: You have to first create that parasympathetic nervous system space for this thing to live into. And then you can start working on and dismantling the, the obstacles that are in your way. But again, remember what I said before about entrenched beliefs, right? The minute you say, I’m gonna do X, Y and Z, those beliefs make themselves known, right? And so it doesn’t matter what you’re attempting to do, right?
0:38:11 Thomas Jones: Oh, I’m going to write a hit song or oh, I’m going to be on TV or oh, I’m going to write a book, or oh, I’m going to do X, Y and Z, those beliefs are going to come up and bam, you’re in that sympathetic nervous system, you’re in fight or flight. You’re in your anxiety now, if you understand, okay? That’s part of the process of creating. And now I get to deal with those very specific obstacles. So I try to tell people, you’re going to get objective about this subjective self.
0:38:43 Thomas Jones: You’re going to see that programming without buying into it. We’re going to change your relationship to this mind and what’s going on in this mind. Because most people collapse into it. They believe it as soon as they feel it, you know, and you see people walk around, that’s my feelings, okay? But that’s not. That isn’t you. And it’s very hard to explain to people. That’s a part of you, okay? It is a reactive part of you.
0:39:16 Thomas Jones: But you need to get out of that reactive self in order to do any kind of changing, right? So it’s a hard sell when you’re in your feelings, right? But again, this is what the process is all about. It’s about identifying those obstacles, right? Getting into this space where you can see it objectively, where you start identifying the issues, you start clearing the emotional charge from those issues. And you will immediately start to get insight and a sense of freedom and possibility.
0:39:50 Thomas Jones: Right? Our natural state is possibility, but you’d never know it when you walk around this city. I look like a lot of people living in possibility.
0:40:06 Tansy Rodgers: So question with that. Whenever I hear about manifestation or conversations about manifestation come up, there’s always that talk about you need to have the emotion connected to the manifesting, right? And so there’s a big difference between the fear side of it versus the manifestation emotion and the outcome. So can we talk about how the feelings, the words, the visualizations, all of that play a big role?
0:40:38 Thomas Jones: Absolutely. I tell people there’s three things that you need in order to manifest anything. One is intention. The other is burning desire. And the third is personal power. And personal power breaks down into two things. One, taking your power back from everything you’ve been giving it to. And two, attention to detail with small achievable steps. That’s the framework of manifesting. But how do you get these positive emotions?
0:41:08 Thomas Jones: Well, again, remember we talked about the paradox process and that we created this meditation? We tried teaching people this meditation. They weren’t having it. They weren’t going to do eight hours of meditating on an issue. So we had to program it in a different way. And we programmed it so that we created what we call keys or key phrases that trigger that meditation subconsciously. Now, one of the most useful keys or key phrases, and you and I are going to do a little bit, maybe later, right?
0:41:43 Thomas Jones: One of them is called Affirm Clear, right? Now, Affirm Clear is about stating the positive as already accomplished, right? Now, here’s what’s interesting about the mind. It will accept whatever premise you offer as fact, right? This is why we can go to the movies and be scared to death even though we know, you know, it’s not real. But the brain doesn’t know that, so the brain buys into it. Right? Now that’s very handy because that means we can create premises that we then operate from.
0:42:19 Thomas Jones: And so we change the internal dialogue into positive into already accomplished fact. We create for the mind the pictures and images of having already done so. And what happens then is that the. The mind will respond with the feelings and emotions that it has. The joy, the excitement, the, the enthusiasm, the possibility, all of those resourceful states of mind. Right? Now, in order to create anything, you have to be in resourceful states of mind, right?
0:42:53 Thomas Jones: But you can deliberately provoke those states of mind, right? And so by using this process, you state the positive in a way that clears the negative. Every key that we created is designed to clear the emotional charge and give you insight and information into the issue. But what we discovered is that if we create a positive key, it also clears the emotional charge and gives you insight into the issue.
0:43:25 Thomas Jones: So this is a lot of people’s favorite key because it sounds so positive, right? But you’re filling your mind with this internal dialogue that says, I can, I will. It’s already happening. Life is cooperating with me. I live in a welcoming world and I’m getting a lot of yes, now that’s great. Emotional equity. When you’re trying to create something, the more emotional equity you have, right? The more positive feeling you have, the easier it is to go toward it.
0:43:57 Thomas Jones: In addition, your mind does something called value tagging, right? When you start stating what it is that you want to see happen, and you start stating it as though it’s already happening, your mind notes that it, value tags it, and it starts scanning your world for evidence that it’s so. Right? And before you know it, you’re seeing a thousand different manifestations of what it is you’re trying to create.
0:44:29 Thomas Jones: It looks like coincidence at first, right? And most people blow coincidence off. Like, that’s so fun. No, that’s your mind working, right? And as you continue to deliberately provoke this positive dialogue, you are seeing more and more evidence until ultimately you’re bringing this manifestation down to this plane, right? So it’s an interesting process you use.
0:45:01 Tansy Rodgers: The term resourceful states of mind, what exactly do you mean by that?
0:45:06 Thomas Jones: Okay, so there are states of mind that are not resourceful. Fear, worry, doubt, anticipation, anxiety, upset, not resourceful, they will drain you. Okay? If I say go worry for five minutes, you’re going to be exhausted. You’re going to be like, I think I’m done. On the other hand, we have resourceful states of mind, like joy, curiosity, empowerment, enlivenment, excitement, fun. All of these are resourceful states of mind. If I tell you, go dwell on the fun that you’re going to have creating this thing you’re going to do, you’re going to walk away after that five minutes feeling full.
0:45:50 Thomas Jones: And your mind is going to be filled with ideas and possibility and creativity. What’s really happening is that you’re migrating from the false self to the true self, okay? But God forbid I should tell people how positive they actually are. So you got to give it to them in small doses, right? And so, you know, I think the value of manifestation is that when people see that start to happen, they start to recognize I’m in a mechanism here, right?
0:46:24 Thomas Jones: And it’s a pre programmed mechanism that I need to reprogram in order to create what I want to create. And I can. And when you bring somebody to creating this, creating that, creating the other thing, slowly but surely they get the idea that, yeah, I can, I can take all of this back. I can live into this new possibility. So resourceful states of mind. I’m writing the book now, it’s called Functional Philosophies and Resourceful States of Mind, right?
0:46:57 Thomas Jones: And we could talk about functional philosophies later, but I’ll give you an example of one, right? Here’s a functional philosophy that everything is meant and perfect and for your and everyone’s highest good. Now the first thing I say in the book is, you don’t have to believe these, okay? In fact, don’t, don’t try to believe it. Just use it as a filter through which to see, okay? Because it’s going to inform you if you see through that filter, if you try believing it, A, you’re going to sound like a nut, B, you’ve just drank some Kool Aid and you don’t need to do that, okay?
0:47:42 Thomas Jones: It’s a filter through which you see there are other functional philosophies. Like here’s another one, which I urge you not to believe. Everybody’s doing their best right? Now. When your friend insults you or slice you in some way, you know, you’re like that Was your. That was your best. But if you force that template, if you see through that lens, it takes something away. Okay? It takes away the pain, it takes away the intention, and it reframes it in a way that you can now manage it in a different way.
0:48:23 Thomas Jones: Right. And so resourceful states of mind are incredibly useful. You know, imagine whenever you get worried or doubtful or upset, if you go to a resourceful state of mind. There’s two that I use particularly. There’s three that I use. One is humor. Right. Because I think everything’s funny. The other is gratitude. Right. Where opens your heart, opens your mind. Right. And the other is curiosity. Right.
0:48:55 Thomas Jones: And if in any upset you go to any one of those states of mind, it’s going to change how you see it and how you respond.
0:49:06 Tansy Rodgers: What’s so funny about the three words that you just said? Three resourceful states of mind. Those three in particular, and I didn’t know this until you actually said them, that I could put my finger on those three in particular, literally shift my reality.
0:49:24 Thomas Jones: Yes.
0:49:25 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:49:28 Thomas Jones: So you, you came to that on your own. That’s great.
0:49:30 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, yeah. And, well, and again, I knew gratitude is a quick shifter for me, but the other two, I wasn’t even thinking about it until you actually said them.
0:49:40 Thomas Jones: Yeah, Well, I have 33 of them in the book, so. Ooh, when it comes out, you’ll get a kick out of some of them.
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0:51:20 Tansy Rodgers: You used another word that I thought was interesting because I’ve never heard of it before. You use the term value tag. And so what I find so interesting, I actually just experienced that myself. Not too long ago, I was in the market for a new car. I needed to get a new car. My car was on. Love her, but she was looking rough and she was on her last legs. And so it was time. And I knew, I knew for years and years and years what I actually wanted as my next car.
0:51:57 Tansy Rodgers: I knew I knew what kind of car I wanted. And the model would change a little bit here and there as the years went by. But eventually, as I got closer, I knew exactly what I wanted. And so when that time came, I literally, My brain saw nothing else. My brain only saw that that was the car that I was going to get, and I knew what color I wanted. There was. It’s just what it was. And so. And so from prior to that, I would see this car on the road constantly, all over the place, right? But it wasn’t time yet.
0:52:37 Tansy Rodgers: And when it came time to actually buy the car, I’m like, oh, I don’t see a lot of them around. I’m really hoping I can find one. I mean, they still make them. But I was, oh, I really hope I can find a good car price on one. And I will tell you, as soon as I made the commitment and I said, all right, I am going. I’m going to be very much in this. I’m making the commitment. Is now time. I kid you not. Within a week, I saw an ad for one. I went and looked at it. It was perfect. It was exactly what I wanted. Mileage, year, price.
0:53:20 Tansy Rodgers: I went home with the car like it was. It was just. It was amazing. So when we talk about the coincidence, it was amazing how that played out. But I didn’t realize that my brain was doing something called value tagging. And it was bringing. It was literally bringing that car to me.
0:53:38 Thomas Jones: It was. It was. And now you’ve just described what manifesting is, right? That you. You invest in this reality and overweight it, okay? There’s many, many possible realities, right? Anything is possible, right? But you invest in this reality and you overweight it so that it becomes the dominant reality. It is what shows up, right? And your brain was busy. It was sorting constantly, right? You sent it on a mission, right?
0:54:14 Thomas Jones: And it was like, here’s a piece, here’s a piece, here’s A piece. This is all you’re going to see. This is all you’re going to see. Right? And honed in and created it.
0:54:24 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Wow.
0:54:25 Thomas Jones: And that’s a, that’s a great example. Right? Now imagine, and you did, doing that deliberately with everything in your life. Imagine consciously living in a way that you’re choosing everything that shows up and the way it shows up. Okay, look, as a control freak, I would say reformed, but I’m not. But as a control freak, I love the idea that we can order life from the menu, that we can say, this is what I want. This is how I want it to show up. This is the experience that I want to have.
0:55:02 Thomas Jones: Right.
0:55:05 Tansy Rodgers: Okay.
0:55:05 Thomas Jones: That was a great example.
0:55:06 Tansy Rodgers: Okay, I got to ask a question because you brought this up. I want to say I’m recovering control freak too, but that would be a lie. I would be lying to everybody listening to this. But I’m trying. I’m trying. And so, Thomas, in that situation, when you really struggle with just letting go and allowing things to come in, the divine timing that they’re supposed to come in, but also giving time for your.
0:55:35 Tansy Rodgers: Your brain and the concepts of law of attraction, whatever you want to call it, to work, how do you stay focused on the process?
0:55:49 Thomas Jones: Yeah. Well, number one, I’m relentless, okay. But number two, there’s a couple of things that I do along the way, okay? I visualize it every morning, okay. I will spend a minute or two, and not much longer than that, picturing it, imagining it, processing it until I connect with the positive emotions. Because emotions are the engine that’s going to make this happen, right? When you connect to those positive emotions, that’s what’s going to make it happen.
0:56:19 Thomas Jones: That’s number one. Number two, I have a key called detach clear, okay? So I detach from it, okay. So that I’m not. I don’t have any emotion backed demand for it, right? I’m light as a feather. Number three, I have a mantra called this or something better, right? And so the combination of using a firm clear in order to create it, picturing it and visualizing it for a minute or two in the morning, detaching from it and having the expectation that this or something better allows me to navigate in a way that I’m not stuck, I’m not grinding, I never want to grind.
0:57:02 Thomas Jones: Never, Right? I’m light as a feather about it and I’m creating, right? So that probably, probably sounded like a lot of work, but the reality is we do that kind of work anyway. If most people Clocked in on how much worrying they’re doing, how much fretting they’re doing, how much negative conversation is going on in their head, they would be shocked that it’s their constant companion. And so instead of having that negative dialogue, how about we change it to something productive and empowering so that we can get where we want to go and live a deliberate and a conscious life?
0:57:54 Thomas Jones: You know, I don’t take anything for granted, and I kind of leave no stone unturned, but that’s from knowing this work and having done this work, right. That before something pops into reality, you know, you’re only this far away, and if you knew that, you’d never stop until you got it, you would just keep going. Right? And so what, you know, what’s taught me is decades of doing this work with other people and doing it with myself, and the experience of knowing, of course it’s going to happen.
0:58:34 Thomas Jones: I have this. I have this arrogance, like. Like, I’m gonna get everything I want. Right? But. And you know, my. My colleagues joke about it with me, like, okay, go ahead, make that happen. Right? They’ll ask me to change the weather. I’m like, let’s hold, hold your horses here. But look, I’d love to show you this affirm, clear, just so that you can get an idea of what it looks like to deliberately provoke your mind to a different state.
0:59:10 Thomas Jones: Right.
0:59:11 Tansy Rodgers: I would love that.
0:59:12 Thomas Jones: Yeah. Is there anything that you’re working on now that you’re trying to create that you’re in kind of mid stride with?
0:59:21 Tansy Rodgers: Many things. Many things. Okay, so let’s talk about my work. I’m currently in this. This place of shifting the way that I’m working with people and bringing in more offerings. Better fits the personal and professional changes I have made. And so I feel like right now I’m kind of right there in the middle of that stride, trying to understand how I’m going to shift and move forward, but then also knowing that I still have legs, toes back in this other reality of where I’m at.
1:00:05 Thomas Jones: Okay, that’s great. That’s good. So here’s what we’re going to do. I’ll. I’ll talk to you the way I would talk to a. A client or somebody who walked through the door. Right? So we’re going to create a scale of 0 to 10, okay. The 0 is going to be where I want to get you to emotionally. And 10 would be as far away as you could possibly be. Right. So here’s the zero that I want to create with you and get you to. Okay, let’s say the 0 is absolutely having 100% faith and trust that you’re making this transition, that it’s already happening, that it’s going to be great, and that all the resources that you need and want are going to show up all along the way in a way that you have absolute trust, faith and belief and ease about creating it. Is that about where you’d want to be?
1:00:55 Tansy Rodgers: Yes.
1:00:56 Thomas Jones: Sound pretty good, right?
1:00:57 Tansy Rodgers: Sounds amazing.
1:00:59 Thomas Jones: So if that’s 0 and 10 is as far away from that as you could be, where do you think you fall on that scale?
1:01:08 Tansy Rodgers: Honestly, I would say right now I feel like I’m at a 5 or 6.
1:01:14 Thomas Jones: I agree. I was going to say you’re probably about halfway there. Right. So now watch. Here’s what’s interesting. What I want you to do is I’m going to start making statements about the issue. You’re going to say affirm, clear after each one. But I want your audience to think about what they’re trying to create. Okay. And I want them to say affirm, clear, too, because it’s going to clear their obstacles as well.
1:01:41 Thomas Jones: So, yeah, you’re getting a free session. Okay. So. So some of these will be true, some of them won’t be true, but they all have an emotional charge. And you’re just going to say a firm clear after each one. Ready?
1:01:56 Tansy Rodgers: Right.
1:01:58 Thomas Jones: Isn’t it important for me to know that I’m already making this happen?
1:02:03 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:04 Thomas Jones: Can I trust and know I’m having a ball?
1:02:08 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:10 Thomas Jones: When am I going to recognize that I’m so much more than I thought I was?
1:02:14 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:17 Thomas Jones: What if I don’t have to be afraid of the responsibility of it?
1:02:21 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:22 Thomas Jones: What if I don’t have to look like I know exactly what I’m doing at every goddamn minute?
1:02:27 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:29 Thomas Jones: What if I’m allowed to make all my mistakes in public?
1:02:33 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:34 Thomas Jones: What if that’s part of my teaching and it’s part of my learning?
1:02:38 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:40 Thomas Jones: What if that’s part of the gift that I bring to other people?
1:02:43 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:45 Thomas Jones: Can I trust and know I’m excited, I’m enthusiastic, and I know I’m going to get there?
1:02:51 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:52 Thomas Jones: Can I allow myself to feel the wind behind my sails?
1:02:57 D: Affirm, clear.
1:02:58 Thomas Jones: Can I recognize that I have snatches of vision that will slowly but surely come together and make perfect sense?
1:03:05 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:07 Thomas Jones: What if I knew that life is going to assist me at every step of the way?
1:03:13 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:14 Thomas Jones: Can I recognize that I can let people in on this manifestation?
1:03:19 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:21 Thomas Jones: Can I see that it’s okay to ask for help?
1:03:24 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:25 Thomas Jones: Can I see that it’s okay not to know?
1:03:28 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:30 Thomas Jones: Can I trust and know that the road to finding out is not knowing?
1:03:36 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:37 Thomas Jones: What if I could be joyous in my search?
1:03:41 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:43 Thomas Jones: Isn’t it true that within me there’s a vision of how this is going to look and how it’s going to work and it’s exciting?
1:03:49 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:51 Thomas Jones: What if it’s not intimidating at all?
1:03:54 D: Affirm, clear.
1:03:55 Thomas Jones: What if there’s a me that grows along with it and can handle everything?
1:04:00 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:01 Thomas Jones: Isn’t it important for me to know that I’m enough?
1:04:04 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:06 Thomas Jones: Isn’t it important for you to know that I have enough? I’m smart enough, I’m good enough, I’m talented enough, and I got the energy to do it?
1:04:12 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:14 Thomas Jones: Isn’t it time for you to trust her?
1:04:17 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:18 Thomas Jones: Isn’t it time for me to believe in her?
1:04:21 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:22 Thomas Jones: What am I going to recognize? She’s a determined little cuss.
1:04:26 Tansy Rodgers: Affirm, clear.
1:04:27 Thomas Jones: When am I going to see that she puts her mind to it? She makes things happen.
1:04:32 D: Affirm, Claire.
1:04:33 Thomas Jones: Is it a time for me to believe in her 100%?
1:04:36 D: Affirm, Claire.
1:04:38 Thomas Jones: Is it a time for me to trust her completely?
1:04:40 D: Affirm, Claire.
1:04:42 Thomas Jones: Is it a time for me to recognize I’m already walking the path, it’s already happening?
1:04:46 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:47 Thomas Jones: Is it a time for me to celebrate just a little?
1:04:51 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:52 Thomas Jones: Is it a time for you to say yes? Just a little?
1:04:56 D: Affirm, clear.
1:04:58 Thomas Jones: Can I trust it’ll be safe, it’ll be comfortable, it’ll be wonderful, and it’ll have all the opportunities that I want it to have?
1:05:04 D: Affirm, clear.
1:05:05 Thomas Jones: Can I recognize? I wouldn’t build it if it didn’t.
1:05:09 D: Affirm, clear.
1:05:11 Thomas Jones: Can I trust that I’m leveling up and it’s great?
1:05:15 D: Affirm, Claire.
1:05:17 Thomas Jones: Okay, that’s the first round. What was that like for you?
1:05:21 Tansy Rodgers: So it was really interesting. I’m very tuned into my body and I was. I was paying attention as we were going through. And by question number or statement number two and three, I could feel emotion coming up. I actually almost wanted to cry, which I thought was really interesting because it was so quick and it hit me so, so viscerally. And then as we started going through and you were hitting a Few statements that felt very triggering to me. Even though.
1:05:55 Tansy Rodgers: Even though you were rapid. So it wasn’t like I had a ton of time to really sink into the question or the statement. I could feel a sinking sensation in my stomach. Like it felt either untrue. It felt like it was like sandpaper against my skin. But then what was really interesting was towards the end, as you started. Started saying, you know, about essentially me trusting myself and, you know, trusting.
1:06:31 Tansy Rodgers: Trusting the work that I’m doing, I started to feel lightness. And I didn’t have the emotion or the heaviness in my stomach. It felt like it was just. It felt like I could breathe again.
1:06:45 Thomas Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Because what was happening, even though we were making very positive statements, right, what was happening is it was clearing your worries, your doubts, your insecurities, your fears, your hesitation, and even your fear of the responsibility of what that was. It was clearing all of that underneath, right?
1:07:06 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah.
1:07:06 Thomas Jones: We never. We never had to mention it because, again, you know, this is a meditation, okay? This is based on accept the unacceptable. So every time I say something positive, there’s something unacceptable about that that you’re now clearing the resistance to, right? So imagine that we just cleared the resistance to that whole thing, right?
1:07:33 Tansy Rodgers: And so now, you said that this was round one.
1:07:36 Tansy Rodgers: How many.
1:07:37 Tansy Rodgers: In a typical. Working a typical program, how many times does somebody do this?
1:07:44 Thomas Jones: Yeah, so you. You do it. Like there’d be like two, maybe three rounds in this one, right? But here’s what I do. I have people record the session so that they can do this every day, okay? Because each time you do it, it’s clearing different negative feelings, right? And we want that out. We want this new space to rise and we want the old ankle weights gone, right? So remember what I said. It’s. It’s work, right?
1:08:18 Thomas Jones: But at this point, the work is constant repetition. We’re changing your internal dialogue. And just like the scales on a piano, right? At first it’s like, Right? And then eventually it’s like. And you’re, like, looking out the window and you’re. It’s gotten into your subconscious and it becomes the dominant. The dominant conversation.
1:08:46 Tansy Rodgers: And do you always have to have a. A something that you’re working on? Do you always have to have that on top of mind? Or can you go into it with just an unknowing, but a desire to affirm and clear?
1:09:02 Thomas Jones: Yeah. No, it doesn’t have to be top of mind. It doesn’t even have to be urgent. In fact, some of the best work you can do is when it’s not up, when it’s not active, right? Because it won’t fight back so much, right? And so imagine that you’re replacing a conversation, okay? You’re replacing a conversation about work with a different conversation that’s more inspiring, more enlivening, more resourceful states, right?
1:09:35 Thomas Jones: And that’s really the process, right? You know, I. I think, you know, I got to have a conversation with God because this was a dirty trick, right, Coming into this plane, right, where these unbelievable pristine beings, right? You know, you see a little baby in a crowd of 20 adults and they’re dominating the room because they’re that powerful, they’re that authentic, right? And then slowly but surely we get programmed out of all of that and we carve ourselves down to this user friendly version of us, right?
1:10:12 Thomas Jones: And we feel too small, too helpless to do anything. And then the game is afoot. Then it’s like, okay, now you have to rediscover who you really are. And you know what the biggest obstacle is? People don’t believe it, right? And I’m like, I swear I’m not trying to make you feel better. It’s really who you are.
1:10:38 Tansy Rodgers: And so this whole process was amazing though, because it really showed that there is a different way of structuring how you go forward in not only manifesting, but also being able to clear some of that emotional resistance so that you can. So that you can be better aligned to the things that you want in life. Even happiness. Yes. Happiness is possible for you too, right?
1:11:05 Thomas Jones: It really is.
1:11:06 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, it really is.
1:11:07 Thomas Jones: You know, we walk around the walking wounded, right? We’ve been traumatized, we’ve been hurt, we’ve been disappointed. And where do you put that if you don’t do something with it? Where do you think you put that? We physicalize it, we emotionalize it, we conceptualize it, and then we live into it. And bad idea, right? This is why I’m gonna talk with the big guy. What’s wrong with you? Make a better system.
1:11:40 Tansy Rodgers: Stop hiding it just within ourselves. Make it a little bit more public, right?
1:11:45 Thomas Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breadcrumbs, something.
1:11:51 Tansy Rodgers: So when we talk about the paradox process, can you give the listener just an idea of what that process is in context with everything that we’ve talked about today and how it’s structured out so that people can make a more tangible movement forward in a real way?
1:12:10 Thomas Jones: Yeah. Generally there’s two kinds of people that come toward me. One are people that are in pain or in trauma or in crisis in some way. And the Other are people that want to get somewhere, right? People that know, I think I’m in my own way, I want to get out of my way, right? And so it’s obvious with the people that are in pain or in trauma, okay, we’re going to get you out of that trauma. But to me, that’s half the message, right?
1:12:45 Thomas Jones: Because. And you know, when that. When they’re like, okay, I’m good, I’m done. No, no, no, no, wait. Now is the opportunity to create what you want to create, right? So a typical session would be somebody coming in, let’s say they just broke up, right? They’re heartbroken, life sucks, and you know, blah, blah, blah. We work on that. We get them out of pain, we show them a different point of view, we put them back in their power, we show them that, you know what, on some level, that was actually your choice.
1:13:16 Thomas Jones: And we give them a new clarity to operate from, right? The people that want to get somewhere are generally high, high accomplished people, right? But they want more or they want to create something, or they’re up to something new, right? So they come in and they know there’s something in me that has created a ceiling that I can’t get past. And that’s my most fun because I’m like, watch this. I really do have fun with it, though, because the ceiling is just old programming, arbitrary beliefs that are just not true, right?
1:14:05 Thomas Jones: And so when you. And so we’ll sit there and we’ll do a 0 to 10, you know, clearing for you to see and know and believe and own that you can create X, Y and Z, right? And then we’ll work toward it and they will feel that sense of opening. It kind of opens here. You know, the mind clears up, it feels light. You feel this quickening, this possibility, right? And I have them. I give people homework, by the way, because I used to not. But then I realized, no, you gotta stay on this work, right?
1:14:43 Thomas Jones: We’re creating something. This is a collaboration, right? And so I give them the work to do. And generally, the people that want to accomplish, they do the work because they want to get somewhere, right? And so those, those are typically the two kinds of sessions that I give, you know. And, you know, one of the taglines of this process is this is a year’s therapy in 50 minutes, right? And, you know, I pride myself in, well, doing violence to people’s belief system, but I was trying to think of a nicer way to put it, but, but changing their point of view, opening their minds to what is really possible, because, again, you know, we’re in heaven or we’re in hell, depending on what you’re telling yourself and what you’re going through.
1:15:48 Thomas Jones: And, you know, my contention is, nope, we’re still in the Garden of Eden. Okay? You just don’t see it yet. And so I bring people to a different place. And again, you know, one of the biggest obstacles is people not believing it, which I never would have thought that would be it. Right. I kid around. You know who Cassandra is? She always told the truth, and she was destined never to be believed.
1:16:15 Tansy Rodgers: I. I’m actually not familiar with the name, no.
1:16:19 Thomas Jones: Oh, well, doesn’t matter.
1:16:20 Tansy Rodgers: That’s.
1:16:20 Thomas Jones: That’s. That’s the myth of Cassandra. Right?
1:16:23 Tansy Rodgers: Okay.
1:16:23 Thomas Jones: And I was like, that’s. That’s. That’s what happened to me. Right?
1:16:32 Tansy Rodgers: We’ll start calling you Cassandra.
1:16:36 Thomas Jones: Nice name, but I’d rather be believed.
1:16:41 Tansy Rodgers: Now, this. This process, is the. Is this what you use in your books? Like, you talk. You talk about the book that you are writing right now, the Functional Philosophy, but you also have another book called Love Games, the Hidden Rules of Relationships. Do you bring part of this process into the books that you write as well?
1:17:02 Thomas Jones: I do not. Not in the functional philosophies and resourceful states of mind. Because I realized that when people come to me, they. They don’t have a usable philosophy, right? They don’t have a. They don’t have a working knowledge of how. How to view life. Right. How to look at it, because, you know, they’re so impacted by the things that happen in their lives that they don’t. They don’t have a functional philosophy.
1:17:33 Thomas Jones: And so I hand them the tools to say, look at it this way, reframe it this way, reach for these feelings and emotions, okay? So I realized after teaching this process for so long that people need the philosophy that goes along with it. And what, again, one of the things I say is, you don’t have to believe any of this, okay? And anyone who asks you to believe something, maybe walk the other way because, you know, don’t be drinking any Kool Aid, but use this.
1:18:08 Thomas Jones: Reframe, right? Because I think that’s the difference in love games. I certainly alluded to the process, but I didn’t out and out talk about it. The other book that I’m in the midst of writing right now and I have to continue editing it is the Paradox Process book. And my working title for it is A Fool’s Journey to Enlightenment. Okay. Because I can attest to being the fool who has had to learn. Right.
1:18:42 Tansy Rodgers: I love that. I can’t wait to read that book when it comes out. Well, for somebody who is ready to start shifting out of these emotional blocks and into something bigger, where is the best place for them to start with the paradox process and really get the ball moving?
1:18:59 Thomas Jones: Okay, so there’s a few ways to, for the entry process, so to speak, we offer a free session to people that are interested, that want to see the work because frankly, it’s easier than trying to explain it. Right. So we give somebody a taste of the work and let them experience that and see what they make of that and so forth and so on. That’s one way. The other way is obviously to book a session either with me or with another facilitator.
1:19:27 Thomas Jones: A third way is that I run a Monday night group, Mondays at 8:00, and I cover different topics and we use the process in order to work on them. What am I doing this week? Oh, creating the world that you live in, Dealing with your expectations. That’s next Monday’s class. In addition, there’s a free class on Thursday at 7. There’s probably a lot of information, but I’ll, I’ll go through it anyway. But here’s, here’s what I’m most excited about, that we do a retreat every year and this year we’re going to Portugal and it’s a five day intensive and you know, talk about deep dive into creating what you want.
1:20:15 Thomas Jones: You know, the theme of it is getting what you want. And so people come with whatever it is that they’re trying to create in their lives, whether it’s relationship or career or you know, money, success, whatever it is. And so that’s another opportunity. But you can check all this out@ad.
1:20:32 Tansy Rodgers: Paradoxprocess.Org and I’ll make sure to have that link down in the show notes along with anywhere that anybody can find you. Thomas, where are you hanging out at? Where can people find you so they can get into your world and learn more about what you’re doing?
1:20:50 Thomas Jones: Yeah, go to the website paradoxprocess.org and it has all the links to all of the things that I just described. And it’s certainly the way to get in. Right. And again, I do individual sessions, I do group sessions and occasionally I’ll go lecture when it isn’t too boring. But so I’m out and about. I’m, I’m out there and you know, I love people that have a sincere desire to grow. That’s all you need. Okay. You don’t need to be smart, to do this, you don’t need to be sophisticated. You don’t need to understand neuroscience or psychology or any of that.
1:21:37 Thomas Jones: Right. You just need a willingness to change and grow. And if you have that, I’ll get you there. Okay. Because again, I have this ridiculous arrogance that when people sit across from me, I’m like, okay, what are we going to make? What are we going to create? Right.
1:22:00 Tansy Rodgers: Well, this conversation’s been so rich and so impactful and enlightening. I love, too, that you bring so much humor to this kind of talk. I mean, that was one of the words that you said, humor earlier. So I love that you bring so much humor to it, too, because it makes a big difference in the shift of how you’re feeling about this work. So thank you so much. Do you have any last words that you want to lay onto the hearts of the listeners for today before we sign off?
1:22:31 Thomas Jones: I think I do. And, you know, what I would say is, I know how discouraging it can be. I know I’ve been there. I’ve felt it. I’ve experienced it. But I also know that you have promised yourself that you’re going to do something about it. And this is the something to do because you can get where you want to go. It’s not hopeless by any means. Okay? That’s just your mind trying to obscure the way. But it’s all there and it’s all in you.
1:23:08 Thomas Jones: And we’ll get it out of you. Just give us a shot.
1:23:14 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you so much, Thomas, for coming onto the show today and having such a great conversation. I appreciate you.
1:23:22 Thomas Jones: It was really fun. Really fun. You’re a great host. I love it.
1:23:26 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you.
1:23:28 Tansy Rodgers: So what if you’re not broken, creative soul? What if the emotional noise in your life isn’t a problem to fix, but a message to translate? Today, Thomas reminded us that resistance is not failure. It’s feedback. That those inner moments of chaos where the affirmations aren’t working, the vision board isn’t landing, the relationships feel hard. They’re not proof that you’re behind. They’re just pointing to a pattern that’s right to be released.
1:23:58 Tansy Rodgers: You can direct your mind. You can shift your story. You can manifest not by pushing harder, but by clearing the path within. And so for this week, here are some reflection points I want you to connect. Where is resistance showing up in your life, and what might it be protecting you from? If you stopped fighting your emotions and you started listening, what might they actually say? You are not far gone.
1:24:30 Tansy Rodgers: You’re just right on time. And until next time, keep spreading that beautiful energy you were born to share.
